Question About Future Buying (Nismo)

oo7mech · 12-11-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LETSGOEERS06

They have a vid. on youtube that tests the ford mustang gt against the 370 and genesis the Z killed them in all categories....

Can someone post this video up to find it easy? Also, i'm at work and somehow the videos on this Forum don't get blocked

vipor · 12-08-2009, 09:27 AM

yeah, saw that vid, it was hilarious. the stang lost the 1/4 by like a second-ish; the hyundai was 2 seconds or so behind.

Road & Track just compared 7 or 8 cars for "best factory drift car" and the Z came in 3rd behind the M3 and Vette. The only reason the Z was 3rd was due to the VDC locking up upon braking (while turned "off") and a shitty e-brake.

Micas · 12-08-2009, 09:52 AM

Usually, this conversation happens on gaming forums when somebody is debating buying a new computer now vs. a year from now. People that think that way should never buy because they'll always be disapointed they didn't wait.

vipor · 12-08-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Micas

Usually, this conversation happens on gaming forums when somebody is debating buying a new computer now vs. a year from now. People that think that way should never buy because they'll always be disapointed they didn't wait.

lol yeah i'm with ya there. i've been working on getting a Z since they came back out in 03. i got really lucky with my timing as the Nismo had just been released like 6 weeks previous. i wasn't even shopping for one at the time but i happened across one at a dealer a month before i purchased

370zlove3 · 12-08-2009, 11:17 AM

Is Nismo a good buy if you are not looking to mod your car in any way?

And why is that the regular 370Z is faster than the Nismo one? It doesn't make any sense! Is it because of the automatic transmission? I have heard numerous stories how the auto is faster. I wonder if the Nismo ever gets an auto, will it beat a regular 370Z?

I'm concerned because ever since the Camaro SS beat the 370Z Nismo around the Laguna Seca track (I guess this track caters around straight line performance cars since the track is mostly "straight lines"?), I had doubts. Anyway, I have checked this one site that posts lap times to justify the purchase of the Nismo - I'm hoping the Nismo will post more times against the SS and beat all of the times.

Oh and the color issue. I'm leaning towards white.

theDreamer · 12-08-2009, 11:26 AM

If you want to mod then buying the Nismo is not the best bargain.
Also the Nismo 370z has gotten some negative hits because of the tires they used, some are saying that is the reason for the less than stellar results.

A Camaro SS is nice, if you are into straight line racing. Yes it can do well around the curves, but the bigger body, weight, etc. is a turn off for anything other the straight line. Also, that laguna seca lap was a magazine result, not saying good or bad but anything from a magazine should be taken with a grain of salt (even things that favor the 370z). What you need to do is take a day and schedule a test drive for the Z and Camaro SS back to back and try to hit all the same points during a test drive. Not just the performance/handling but also the little things you use while driving.

vipor · 12-08-2009, 11:27 AM

make sure you sit inside a Camaro first too. i've read some people post that they were sold on one until they saw/felt/used the interior.

370zlove3 · 12-08-2009, 11:36 AM

I have always been more of a fan of Japanese sports car so I don't know if I will ever buy a Camaro SS. Although I agree that I must give the SS a try just to see how it feels. By the way, I'm 6 feet and 240 lbs (body builderish), and I must say that the 370Z Nismo and the base models were absolutely shocking in terms of comfort. I honestly thought I was going to be cramped but I wasn't. It was actually comfortable!

Nissan should probably take a page out of Chevy by squeezing in just a little more hp for the manual transmission if the auto is almost always beating the manual.

So, has next year's models been finalized? Like you guys said, the Nismo's performance has not been spectacular. Will Nissan/Nismo make any quick changes to the tires, etc... or is it a seal deal for next year?

theDreamer · 12-08-2009, 11:58 AM

I think the only changes for 2010 are minor ones, no power changes.
Changes are like heated side mirrors, in cabin air filter, etc. I am 6'4" and fit great in the Z, I was shocked I was able to drive this around with any issues.

The issue with manual v. automatic is that one of the main comparisons is straight line speed. I will say even the Mustang auto is almost faster than the manual (V8), the reason is because a computer can shift faster than a human ever could. Also, with things like DSG, and double clutch and all that it has turned a new light on for "automatic" transmissions. I put that in quotes because we are at the point where you are doing all the work, shifting up/down but you lose the clutch pedal only. Without getting much into an auto v. manual debate there are advantages & disadvantages to each and will be a never ending debate (just like oil).

370zlove3 · 12-08-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I think the only changes for 2010 are minor ones, no power changes.
Changes are like heated side mirrors, in cabin air filter, etc. I am 6'4" and fit great in the Z, I was shocked I was able to drive this around with any issues.

But the heated side mirrors, in cabin air filter, etc... are only available to the 370Z and not the Nismo, right?

Also I heard that the Nismo does not have any oil coolers. I think they should install them for the 2010 year models.

theDreamer · 12-08-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zlove3

But the heated side mirrors, in cabin air filter, etc... are only available to the 370Z and not the Nismo, right?

Also I heard that the Nismo does not have any oil coolers. I think they should install them for the 2010 year models.

No idea on the changes actually, not sure how the current Nismo is listed (2009 or 2010). Also, do you plan on tracking the car? Nissan has already made an official statement about the oil topic, seems pretty clear.

Micas · 12-08-2009, 02:14 PM

The OP is overly concerned about minor variations in statistics.. i.e., the HP number of the car, as if that really means anything. He's also fishing for guesses about future changes to the car.. as if anybody can actually respond to that in an authoritative way. It's all guessing.

The Z really isn't for him. He should buy the car with the highest rated horse power that he can afford for straight line performance and forum bragging rights, as anything else will feel inferior to him. It's borderline trolling really.

areyouin729 · 12-08-2009, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micas

The OP is overly concerned about minor variations in statistics.. i.e., the HP number of the car, as if that really means anything. He's also fishing for guesses about future changes to the car.. as if anybody can actually respond to that in an authoritative way. It's all guessing.

The Z really isn't for him. He should buy the car with the highest rated horse power that he can afford for straight line performance and forum bragging rights, as anything else will feel inferior to him. It's borderline trolling really.

couldn't have said it better myself

370zlove3 · 12-08-2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

No idea on the changes actually, not sure how the current Nismo is listed (2009 or 2010). Also, do you plan on tracking the car? Nissan has already made an official statement about the oil topic, seems pretty clear.

Hmm maybe in the future. I just read the statement about it but could not figure out why Nismo wouldn't install the coolers in the first place when the car is pretty much a track based machine.

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The Z really isn't for him. He should buy the car with the highest rated horse power that he can afford for straight line performance and forum bragging rights, as anything else will feel inferior to him. It's borderline trolling really.

I thought I already made it blatantly clear that I do not want the SS? And forum bragging rights? Sorry, I just find those who project their own envies and secrets a bit lame.

I have worked hard to buy something I really want. I want to get the best out of something before I regret in the future. There is absolutely no reason to call me a troll.

FuszNissan · 12-08-2009, 12:20 PM

Don't forget the awesome USB port!

12-08-2009, 09:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 43 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 50	yeah, saw that vid, it was hilarious. the stang lost the 1/4 by like a second-ish; the hyundai was 2 seconds or so behind. Road & Track just compared 7 or 8 cars for "best factory drift car" and the Z came in 3rd behind the M3 and Vette. The only reason the Z was 3rd was due to the VDC locking up upon braking (while turned "off") and a shitty e-brake. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

12-08-2009, 11:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
370zlove3 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 73 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 17	Is Nismo a good buy if you are not looking to mod your car in any way? And why is that the regular 370Z is faster than the Nismo one? It doesn't make any sense! Is it because of the automatic transmission? I have heard numerous stories how the auto is faster. I wonder if the Nismo ever gets an auto, will it beat a regular 370Z? I'm concerned because ever since the Camaro SS beat the 370Z Nismo around the Laguna Seca track (I guess this track caters around straight line performance cars since the track is mostly "straight lines"?), I had doubts. Anyway, I have checked this one site that posts lap times to justify the purchase of the Nismo - I'm hoping the Nismo will post more times against the SS and beat all of the times. Oh and the color issue. I'm leaning towards white. Last edited by 370zlove3; 12-08-2009 at 11:20 AM.

12-08-2009, 11:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	If you want to mod then buying the Nismo is not the best bargain. Also the Nismo 370z has gotten some negative hits because of the tires they used, some are saying that is the reason for the less than stellar results. A Camaro SS is nice, if you are into straight line racing. Yes it can do well around the curves, but the bigger body, weight, etc. is a turn off for anything other the straight line. Also, that laguna seca lap was a magazine result, not saying good or bad but anything from a magazine should be taken with a grain of salt (even things that favor the 370z). What you need to do is take a day and schedule a test drive for the Z and Camaro SS back to back and try to hit all the same points during a test drive. Not just the performance/handling but also the little things you use while driving. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-08-2009, 11:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 43 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 50	make sure you sit inside a Camaro first too. i've read some people post that they were sold on one until they saw/felt/used the interior. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

12-08-2009, 11:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	I think the only changes for 2010 are minor ones, no power changes. Changes are like heated side mirrors, in cabin air filter, etc. I am 6'4" and fit great in the Z, I was shocked I was able to drive this around with any issues. The issue with manual v. automatic is that one of the main comparisons is straight line speed. I will say even the Mustang auto is almost faster than the manual (V8), the reason is because a computer can shift faster than a human ever could. Also, with things like DSG, and double clutch and all that it has turned a new light on for "automatic" transmissions. I put that in quotes because we are at the point where you are doing all the work, shifting up/down but you lose the clutch pedal only. Without getting much into an auto v. manual debate there are advantages & disadvantages to each and will be a never ending debate (just like oil). __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-08-2009, 09:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Micas Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: D/FW Posts: 54 Drives: 2004 G35 Coupe Rep Power: 17	Usually, this conversation happens on gaming forums when somebody is debating buying a new computer now vs. a year from now. People that think that way should never buy because they'll always be disapointed they didn't wait.

12-08-2009, 11:36 AM	#8 (permalink)
370zlove3 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 73 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 17	I have always been more of a fan of Japanese sports car so I don't know if I will ever buy a Camaro SS. Although I agree that I must give the SS a try just to see how it feels. By the way, I'm 6 feet and 240 lbs (body builderish), and I must say that the 370Z Nismo and the base models were absolutely shocking in terms of comfort. I honestly thought I was going to be cramped but I wasn't. It was actually comfortable! Nissan should probably take a page out of Chevy by squeezing in just a little more hp for the manual transmission if the auto is almost always beating the manual. So, has next year's models been finalized? Like you guys said, the Nismo's performance has not been spectacular. Will Nissan/Nismo make any quick changes to the tires, etc... or is it a seal deal for next year?

12-08-2009, 02:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Micas Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: D/FW Posts: 54 Drives: 2004 G35 Coupe Rep Power: 17	The OP is overly concerned about minor variations in statistics.. i.e., the HP number of the car, as if that really means anything. He's also fishing for guesses about future changes to the car.. as if anybody can actually respond to that in an authoritative way. It's all guessing. The Z really isn't for him. He should buy the car with the highest rated horse power that he can afford for straight line performance and forum bragging rights, as anything else will feel inferior to him. It's borderline trolling really.

12-08-2009, 12:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 544	Don't forget the awesome USB port! __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

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