Thoughts on a base C6

Steven · 10-09-2009, 09:13 PM

I would get the Vette anyday over the Z. what kept me away was not wanted to spend that kind of money in this economy right now. If it wasnt for the economic downturn, i would buy the Vette.

I'm not hating on the Z at all, heck i own one. But I sure would have liked the Vette a little more.

Pharmacist · 10-09-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dalparadise

Understanding the natural leanings of a 370Z discussion group, may I pose this to you?

I have, through a relationship I have with a Chevy dealer, an opportunity to purchase a new 2009 Corvette BASE 6MT model (no frills -- 1LT version, which is comparable to a Sport/Touring level trim Z) for $39,700. MSRP is $49,600, so the savings are substantial.

Given that a Sport/Touring 370Z can be had at invoice for around $35,500 these days, does it really just boil down to personal preference?

I love the Z and had my heart set on it, but as soon as my friend started talking about working that 430hp Vette into my price range, I got very interested. Plus, the Vette gets the same or better gas mileage, better acceleration, cornering and top speed, better warranty (3/36 B2B and 5/100 powertrain). So, some of my admittedly ill-informed quality concerns seem alleviated, too.

Looking for some perspective... What do you think?

Lets see now. A Z with brand new and fresh design, and a certain rarity/uniqueness. A vette that is a dime a dozen on the streets, with the same stale look since the 1980s (oh wait they made the retractable headlights into fixed lights

)

A Z with the latest technology, synchrorev, vvel, powerful yet efficient vq37vhr, etc.... A vette still using 2 valves/cyl, pushrod engine, etc.... (why not add carburettors while at it?)

A Z someone young with youth and vigour may drive. A vette driven mostly by 50 yr old men with a midlife crisis.

A Z with class, something a well educated professional may drive, beautiful curves, euro style looks. Think Porsche 911 carrera. A vette that is the car of choice for rednecks. Think Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Vettes are crap. The only good ones were the stingray/mako shark generation. Besides, you're talking about a base stripped down vette. not a z06 or even the grandsport/z51. Apart from the overbloated engine giving decent straightline acceleration, everything else on that vette is inferior to the z, brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, handling, interior, fit and finish, quality and reliability, etc.....

MightyBobo · 10-09-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Lets see now. A Z with brand new and fresh design, and a certain rarity/uniqueness. A vette that is a dime a dozen on the streets, with the same stale look since the 1980s (oh wait they made the retractable headlights into fixed lights

)

A Z with the latest technology, synchrorev, vvel, powerful yet efficient vq37vhr, etc.... A vette still using 2 valves/cyl, pushrod engine, etc.... (why not add carburettors while at it?)

A Z someone young with youth and vigour may drive. A vette driven mostly by 50 yr old men with a midlife crisis.

A Z with class, something a well educated professional may drive, beautiful curves, euro style looks. Think Porsche 911 carrera. A vette that is the car of choice for rednecks. Think Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Vettes are crap. The only good ones were the stingray/mako shark generation. Besides, you're talking about a base stripped down vette. not a z06 or even the grandsport/z51. Apart from the overbloated engine giving decent straightline acceleration, everything else on that vette is inferior to the z, brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, handling, interior, fit and finish, quality and reliability, etc.....

...what the hell are you talking about? I don't like calling people out, but talk about a narrow-minded approach to cars, with the most stereotypical of views.

Obviously you are going for nothing more than a perceived image (an image you conjured up in your head and agree with yourself). Rednecks only drive Corvettes? Well educated professionals only, drive 370's? Hilarious.

Are you seriously even REMOTELY saying that the LSX motors are low-tech piles of junk and since the VQ37 has some new-age stuff its better simply because of that? Better yet, it only has decent straight line acceleration, and cant out handle a Z?

WELCOME....TO THE INTERNET. Many things can be done here, including research. I suggest you do that before posting again.

RatedZ · 10-09-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

...what the hell are you talking about? I don't like calling people out, but talk about a narrow-minded approach to cars, with the most stereotypical of views.

Obviously you are going for nothing more than a perceived image (an image you conjured up in your head and agree with yourself). Rednecks only drive Corvettes? Well educated professionals only, drive 370's? Hilarious.

Are you seriously even REMOTELY saying that the LSX motors are low-tech piles of junk and since the VQ37 has some new-age stuff its better simply because of that? Better yet, it only has decent straight line acceleration, and cant out handle a Z?

WELCOME....TO THE INTERNET. Many things can be done here, including research. I suggest you do that before posting again.

The moment I scanned his post and saw, "Vettes are crap," I immediately quit reading, quickly realizing he doesn't know a thing about cars.

Pharmacist got prescribed the wrong drugs...

Endgame · 10-10-2009, 12:06 AM

It's getting hot in here!

frost · 10-10-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

It's getting hot in here!

It's a super saiyan fail.

Greg · 10-10-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by frost

First, let me just say that the nissan 370 general discussion area is probably not the right place for this.

+1

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Originally Posted by Endgame

It's getting hot in here!

Brings me back to all those...ZZTopp vs Pretty much everyone ,times..

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Originally Posted by frost

It's a super saiyan fail.

Yup its a IBTL type deal no noubt...

These types of threads always turn into:

Mike · 10-10-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg

Brings me back to all those...ZZTopp vs Pretty much everyone ,times..

And he has a vette now too, his 3rd actually.

MC · 10-10-2009, 12:29 AM

i had a base 05 C6. and have driven a newer LS3.

i would take a 40K nismo Z over a 40K base C6 anyday, the Z is alot more fun to drive and has better interior

my dad is thinking of trading in that 05 C6 and getting one of the new grand sports for his 63rd Bday... im interested to drive that car if he gets it

ZPirate · 10-10-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MC

i had a base 05 C6. and have driven a newer LS3.

i would take a 40K nismo Z over a 40K base C6 anyday, the Z is alot more fun to drive and has better interior

my dad is thinking of trading in that 05 C6 and getting one of the new grand sports for his 63rd Bday... im interested to drive that car if he gets it

I agree with you MC. The Z is alot more fun to drive. And I am a Corvette owner.

Pharmacist · 10-10-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Are you not taking into consideration that the added cost of the Corvette buys you a car that unequivocally embarrasses the 370Z in any measure of performance?

How so? Drop an overbloated v8 into a z34 platform and you'll get a car everybit as good as the vette. Except for engine power, the Z is every bit a match for the Vette, if not even better. Braking, cornering, lateral grip, handling, transmission, suspension, wheels, tires, interior, quality, reliability, image, looks, etc.....

Actually even engine wise, the z is far superior to that piece of junk vette. The Z makes 89.7 hp/L of displacement to the vette's 70.6. Also, Z makes 73 lb ft of torque/L of displacement to the vette's 69. Pound for pound, the z is the superior car.

The Z is state of the art. And the vette was awesome around the same time dinosaurs roamed the earth. Think about it. The Z is sold worldwide. The vette, you'll have a hard time finding any outside america.

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Take a look at official Nurburgring lap-times as one indication. A 2007 LS2 Corvette Z51 lapped The Ring in 7:59, tying the 997 Carrera S down the second. Sources also list a 2009 Carrera S as only being 1-second quicker, but mind you, we're comparing an '07 Z51 to an '09 Carrera S. The '08+ Corvette with an LS3 is significantly faster.

Well, the nurburgring is a very long track that has a lot of long very high speed straights, so it's predictable the v8 powered vette would perform well comparable to the carrera (which I always thought should have had way more power than they actually come with). On a tighter twistier track with slower overall speed, the carrera should be able to outhandle the vette.

If that's not enough, browse through the 2007 Lighting Lap issue of C&D ( The Lightning Lap, 2007 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver ), where the 2007 Corvette beat the 997 Turbo by 2-seconds around VIR (as well as the Audi R8). Again...this is the older, LS2 Corvette, not the current LS3. If you want to talk about the Z06, that went on to beat the GT3 by over 2-seconds in that test, to boot.

Now I won't put it past you to dismiss this as paper-racing or bench-racing...call it what you will, but results are results. I personally have raced a 2008 Corvette Z51 as well as a Z06 around Infineon Raceway and Thunderhill, as well as HPDEs (non-competitive) at Laguna Seca. Yes, there were Porsches on the track at the same time, so I know what these cars can and can't do. Oh, and feel free to toss the comparisons out because the Corvettes exampled have the $1,600 Z51 option, while you noted "base C6." Either way...your argument is moot.

To summarize, strictly in terms of track-performance: '08+ Z51 > 997 Carrera/S/Turbo...C6 Z06 > GT3...ZR1 > any car on non R-compound street-tires.

Please get your information straight. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Don't have time to read this article. More on that later. But were all these numbers taken on the same day and time? I noticed it said an 07 audi r8 in the chart, but the article talked about an 08 audi r8. If this is pooled data from different occasions, they are worthless.

Modshack · 10-10-2009, 08:52 AM

Wow.....The car bigotry runs rampant here. Almost sounds live the Corvette forum where you dare not mention you drive (or even like) other brands of cars..

It's also interesting that some with the strongest "opinions" have never owned a late model vette, some have never driven one, and some, I suspect, don't even own a 370.

Carry on children......

Lug · 10-10-2009, 10:30 AM

For me, one of the Vettes strongest points usually isn't mentioned. It weighs about the same as the 370Z even with that bigassed engine. Weight is the enemy.

Pharmacist · 10-10-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

For me, one of the Vettes strongest points usually isn't mentioned. It weighs about the same as the 370Z even with that bigassed engine. Weight is the enemy.

That is actually something I agree on. Modern cars are just getting too overweight and fat. Lambos going close to 4000 lbs, 3 series bmw now bigger than older 5 series, mercedes sedans heavier than a pickup truck, etc....

JoeD · 10-10-2009, 08:44 PM

Lol

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Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 978	Wow.....The car bigotry runs rampant here. Almost sounds live the Corvette forum where you dare not mention you drive (or even like) other brands of cars.. It's also interesting that some with the strongest "opinions" have never owned a late model vette, some have never driven one, and some, I suspect, don't even own a 370. Carry on children...... __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here!

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Steven Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Clear Lake, TX Posts: 130 Drives: 09 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	I would get the Vette anyday over the Z. what kept me away was not wanted to spend that kind of money in this economy right now. If it wasnt for the economic downturn, i would buy the Vette. I'm not hating on the Z at all, heck i own one. But I sure would have liked the Vette a little more.

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