Hellaflush is now... Illegal?!?!
 

Soooooooo... Bad news for you hellaflush guys, especially if you live in Quebec Canada. Apparently, the Canadian government has made the hellaflush cars banned on roads. So far its just in the Quebec province, but they are saying it might spread.... You know what this means... Its only a matter of time before US gets wind of this and follows suit.

Thoughts??

Here is the article

Hellaflush cars get hella banned in Quebec, rest of Canada to follow?

About time.

hahahahahahahahaha YES!

finally someone has read my emails.

Pretty stupid of them (Quebec), IMO.

Stanced cars aren't really to my liking, and I may poke fun, but banning it altogether? Kind of silly. It's not harming anyone, that I know of.

it's a safety hazard.

i vote for a nationwide ban of stanced cars.

not even a joke.

Well when you've got a tire that's 12" wide, and only 3" of that is making contact with the road, i can see where they're coming from. Doesnt take much for some rain to hit the ground and stability goes right out the window.. On the plus side.. Now would be a good time to hit up the Quebec classifieds for some used 19x12's lol

But to the contrary it is unsafe. They are out of bounds of the vehicles designed purpose. Given you accept the risk everyday to walk out of your house and drive with all the crazy people on the road. If they are being trailored back and forth to a show then by all means. But when you are driving it on the road especially at the most extreme edge it becomes a hazard.

Did we just agree on something?! I guess there IS life after exhaust systems :tiphat:

Has it always not been? I thought your headlights could not be lower then 21 inches off the ground.

yea yea yea only because you hit on my pet peeve and its this awful style called stance.

and back to your rain comment i have 305 tires in the rear with OEM camber and my butthole puckers a little when it rains with that set-up. i mean RE-11's arent really the top choice for wet traction but still you get my point lol

anything stanced would be like ice skating on the road if it was wet.

haha so awesome!

Ugh that stance is horrendous to look at.

i'm so happy right now. a thread full of my people. all stance haters aka people with good taste

:happydance:

You wanna go do karate in the garage??

We shouldn't be so happy. Their definition of Hellaflush, while correct, also sounds like it would include ANY lowered vehicles. I would not define my car as hellaflush. I have stock camber and my tires fit the rims, however, I am tucking a little front and rear. A police officer might decide that my car is hellaflush anyways and ticket me, or worse.

Here's the part that I don't like...

Changes to the suspension geometry
The majority of vehicles have lowered anomalies on the adjustment of camber 1 . Indeed, the adjustment of camber is not provided on several vehicle models, making it impossible to align the wheels of the vehicle according to the manufacturer's specifications. To compensate, the suspension has to work outside the range for which it was designed, reducing the handling and stability of the vehicle and the area of contact with the road.
Change the geometry of the suspension of a vehicle reduces its maneuverability and safety. Furthermore, it is prohibited to use components too rigid suspension or insufficient travel. It is also forbidden to modify a vehicle to the point where the tires touch a vehicle component or part of the vehicle body touches the road in normal driving conditions.

I do feel pretty bad for that one guy thats gonna show up and be mad about it... And you know its gonna happen. Theres always THAT guy

yes!

i welcome him. usually i'm THAT guy who goes into stance threads and just destroy them all. at least now i can tag out and let someone else have some fun :bowrofl:

Long as you don't touch my drum set. Or I will stab you, in the neck, with a knife!

yea? well i put my nuts on your drumset! :stirthepot:

I knew it! Top Gear doesn't start til 4!

I do not like the fact of how this can be interpreted if it begins to be adopted and enforced by the states. As any lowered vehicle will likely be targeted as someone else mentioned.

I DIDNT TOUCH YOUR DRUMBSET! Im all sweaty cause i was watching cops

well played :tiphat: like the switch from cops to top gear. i like your style.

I was gonna say porn, but thats always on :rofl2:

Hold on...there is no mention of how they are going to define this. Exactly what are the parameters? I would suspect that when it comes down to it what becomes illegal is the high end of the look. Anyone have details?

iphone bro. always something ready to go.

i think they should appoint me as the national stance advisor.

finally obama would do something AND get it right in his 8 year joke.

i would be fair but firm (giggity) in my stance against stanced vehicles.

The link is not showing up well on in my browser. It looks like there is a 'more' link and is not working for me. So my question is: How do they define what is illegal?

They need a concrete definition of "unsafe".

If "unsafe" is written into law as "whatever an officer says", then this is a really bad idea.

"Looks stupid", "douche-bag car", "dumb", etc. This is subjective BS that makes for terrible laws.

So I didn't see anything in the article about the definition of what the law says is "unsafe".

...And I am not a fan of Hella-flush.

If i were to guess, since they are basing this on the vehicle being unsafe, they are talking about the tire issue not contacting the road. If that were the case, the smart thing to do would be put something into effect with percentages. Meaning, if more than 50% of your tire is not making contact with the road, you're screwed. That would make sense

pretty much everything that is "stance" is unsafe.

tons of negative camber which reduces the tires contact patch resulting in little to no traction = unsafe.

tires that are many sizes too small exposing the wheel and even sealing to the inside step of the wheels sometimes for desired looks. all resulting in a raised chance of popping the bead and having esentially a blow-out while driving = unsafe

super low hardened suspension (non-air ride) to where there is little to no give. this susepension then offers no give or abosrption of the bumps of normal driving which can result in bouncing and losing control of the vehicle = unsafe.

shall i continue? lol

That can be said about a lot of styles though. If the car is too low it poses a problem, too high: problem, etc.

That's not law everywhere. Well, maybe in the Nazi state of Canada it is. :rolleyes: They should just consider it part of California. 'Tards.

Air suspension can tear causing an accident.

Screws can come loose, causing an accident.



Let's ban everything that anyone could like! Yeah!


Also, with my wheels having greater than OEM offsets, they're considered "stanced" (just not super duper stanced, just flush with the edges of the car) so... that's unsafe? Didn't feel unsafe flying around the mountain this weekend. ;) :driving:

You're absolutely right.. And they are all UNSAFE lol. No matter how much we dont wanna admit it, just about every law thats made, theres a good reason for it. I see NO valid argument that can be said about having just the inner lip of your tire touching the road NOT be a bad idea on the road.

But i welcome someone to try :stirthepot:

It's more fuel efficient, minimal friction with the road. :D

On that premise, tires can tear causing an accident too, so lets make them illegal! lol.

We arent talking about having a little camber because of offset wheels. Its tires that are sitting at an extreme angle not making contact with the road, is the safety issue.

well with you behind the wheel everyone else felt unsafe :stirthepot:

AHHHHHHH... i didnt think of that hahaha :tiphat: