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this is why the terrorists are winning

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You know what would be SOOOOOOO hilarious.. The article i posted the link to has a 350Z as the main picture AND its someone from Cali.. Im waiting for the owner to pop up in here saying how badass hellaflush is :roflpuke2:

Ironic that the license plate is "OFCR PLZ" OHHHHH please officer.. Let me keep my wheels! lol

Not a fan of the "hella flush" movement. I do like the look of wheels that are acutally flush, not cambered to hell. However, I'd be afraid that any lowered car with wide wheels/tires or modified suspension is now in jeopardy of getting a ticket.

Ummmmm.... Arent we already? lol

Tinting is illegal in Alberta, doesn't mean we don't tint. You know - Pay to play.

I guess? I've been driving cars with wider wheels/tires and lowered for the past 15 years and I have never had a single ticket.

same in PA. i just never tinted because it's not worth the hassle here.


now straight pipes on the other hand you'd think would draw more attention than tint.....obviously not the case lol

Now you jinxed it.

Yeah, its all about location. I grew up in so cal, so you can only imagine all the BS that cops put people through out there just to get revenue for the state. I've gotten mud flap tickets (lifted truck obviously), tint, stereo too loud, exhaust too loud, on a street bike even, if you can believe that garbage!

But 49% of a 315/40 18 is still more contact patch than 51% of 175/80 15 econo-box tire?

Right, but are you forgetting that tires are made to perform flat on the ground. Sidewalls stretch and grip the road, grooves in the tire divert water to better handling in rain. With half the tire off the ground, it cant do those thing, not to mention putting twice the stress on the inside sidewall (which is only designed to handle a certain weight limit) So, ill take 100% of a 175/80 over 30% of a 315 any day.

also throw in the fact that typically the outside 1/3 of the tire tread block is the real part designed for traction.

on a stance vehicle thats the first part that gets pulled away from the pavement.

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:iagree: WOW... twice in one day :rofl2:

well when you actually make GOOD points i cant help but to agree and also add extra info that you missed :tiphat:

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They outlawed it like 2 weeks ago...

The US should make it a felony

That's how they're going to measure.

If an officer can comfortably rest his nut sack on your side mirror while remaining flat footed on the ground, your stance is too extreme and you're getting towed. :nutswinger::ughdance:

^^^
Another reason not to lower your vehicle. I don't want anyone's nuts on my mirrors.

"Tons" needs a definition, and the definition needs to be demonstrably unsafe.

My Z runs between 2.5 and 3 degrees of negative camber for track use. That amount is safe in my application and effective for handling purposes as well as mitigating outside-edge tire wear from traction-limit turning.

My camber is out of spec from Nissan's recommended range. OEM specs may become the definition of "safe" limits if these laws come our way.

I have no experience with going with a wheel that's wider than the tire specs. But I have ran tires that were (one size) too wide for the wheels I mounted them on (according to tire specs)

I suspect that nailing down "safe" with tire seals and the beads may be easier than defining "unsafe" camber.

The only way to get "no give" would be to use solid materials all the way to the pavement. (No tires, no bushings etc)

I don't think "no give" is the legal definition you are looking for.


Again, I'm not a fan of "stance" I think it's a waste of money. However I take great care not to demand laws that outlaw things just because I don't like them or think they are stupid.

If we can come up with definitions that go to someone endangering others on the road, great.

But banning tastelessness is a very slippery slope. I think it's particularly unwise for automotive enthusiasts set foot on such a slope.

As they should! :icon17: :mad:
That and Southwest Airlines.

Your face is a felony. :hello:

TO DO LIST:
1. invent side mirror to roof relocation kit.
2. become rich
3. F*ck Bi*ches

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You know, the negative camber bit, I could tolerate. Though honestly, when your camber is so far out that I can notice it from half a mile away, you are taking it too far in my book.

The stretched tires are what kill me. In what universe can anyone say that having to stretch the sidewalls of a tire out so that they can reach the edges of a wheel that is quite a bit wider than said tire is a good idea? The very design of the tire is so that the edge can sit within the bead on the wheel, providing the seal necessary to maintain air pressure. The fact that someone has to effectively GLUE their tires onto the wheels to achieve the same seal would in my mind be the first indicator that you are ******* something up. And heaven help you if the glue breaks free. :shakes head:

Ok, Rant Over

You could always sniff the glue? :confused:

It'll help the driver forget the time his hellaflush tire glue came undone and he hellacrashed into a busload of children on the way back from the kitten adoption festival and they went over the edge of a canyon wall and fell to their helladoom. :mad::shakes head:

THEY USE DUCT TAPE!!! That's how DUMB this fad thing is

TOO.... MUCH.... HELLA.... CANT... COMPUTE :icon14:

You're pretty close... I have been handcuffed at the airport and had the FBI called on me

When are they gonna ban blacked out tailights and headlights. I find these worse.

Thats sooooo illegal in cali at least, and also AZ. It just depends on how much a **** the cop wants to be.

I tell you man, when its raining here you cannot see the lights of cars with blacked out goodness in front.

Well what most people DONT do, which everyone should if you're gonna black out your tails, is at least swap over to an LED bulb. That helps a ton, but i agree, it sucks when you cant see cause of bad weather.

The only issue I have with this, is leaving it to the cops discretion as to what is considered Hellaflush. Yes, they have a "definition/guideline" to follow but this will be abused. I already know of one person that has been harassed by this new law and this person's car is about as "hellaflush" as my car... My car is not even close to hellaflush.

I didn't get into the whole hella-flush scene anyways. I hate restrictions though.

I'll take 100% 315 under cornering forces over most of a 175 that's half unloaded under cornering forces because of camber arcs and suspension compression.

(Although I know the amount of camber required to get 50% at a standstill will probably not result in 100% under cornering.)

We should talk lol

Been there too brother.

Hellaflush is Hellastupid. .02ct.

funny story this is lol
I'm curious though. Do hellaflush guys actually drive these cars or are they just for show?
I haven't seen too many on the road.

I just think we should be careful banning things that we deem "stupid".

In fairness... Most people kinda deem this dangerous as well.

Lots of them here in nyc, mostly Hondas and they try to race you.:shakes head: