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Dcocci 10-03-2014 12:44 AM

The z35 should be called the 400z and have a 4.0 naturally aspirated v8 with 400hp. Done.

Firebase99 10-03-2014 05:52 AM

People speak of the Infiniti Q60 coupe like its a concept car. I see a few every day, my neighbor BOUGHT one.

njobe89 10-03-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2987162)
People speak of the Infiniti Q60 coupe like its a concept car. I see a few every day, my neighbor BOUGHT one.

yea, someone drives one here where i work or it was someone that was visting.

mishuko 10-03-2014 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2987162)
People speak of the Infiniti Q60 coupe like its a concept car. I see a few every day, my neighbor BOUGHT one.

I actually prefer the g37 over the q60... but the q50 on the other hand is pretty nice!

IF (BIG IF) they decide to tier the engines I think they should drop the displacement Z and just go back to the real name. Fairlady Z.

njobe89 10-03-2014 10:11 AM

it's going to suck when none of us are right and they do something completely different lol :roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Volk Z 10-03-2014 10:57 AM

What is slightly irritating is they havent released anything. Not even a concept model. I thought they said last november it was to be revealed.

If its to be released in 2016 and we are only a couple months until 2015 im assuming at least a concept version should be out soon?

brucelidat 10-03-2014 12:28 PM

I'm expecting a concept to show up at the Tokyo show.

Volk Z 10-03-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 2987767)
I'm expecting a concept to show up at the Tokyo show.

It would be nice. It would seem the smarter thing to do would be release something under the table but not bring attention it was there design for the Z just a concept and see what people think of it. Look at the new supra for instance its a stunning car but some people dont like the front bumper. But thats not a deterrent factor of buying....

But if the z came out and had a lot of ugly qualities or odd things it would be goood to get the attention now so you can alter design. They probably have less then a handful of desogn guys on this car it woukd be a good idea to not let them determine everything looks wise.

I saw the concept 350z sketches that were out there and then I saw the concept in person at the LA auto show right before it had its last final tweaks to the door handle. Front bumper. Headlights and rear bumper.

I dont remember a ton of people really liking the door handles so they made a change... uglier in my opinion but a change.

Imagine a smart car maker putting 4 sketches on here with a poll and did this on numerous forums and listened to the feedback from consumers... they would no doubt sell more.

Most of us know what looks good. Therr have been some masterpieces put together for 350z and 370z. Even with a couple mild modifications. .. like blacking the headlights housing the car looks better. How about a carbon diffuser setup like the one from carbon signal for the nismo. It looks better

Just my opinion but I believe feedback is what most intelligent companies do. My wife's fsmily owns a marketing firm where companies will send products and people test and give feedback. Car makers should do this and could use top gear guys or other intelligent car people.

They have shown this IDx concept and GTR but the Z is some mystical unicorn?

Jordo! 10-03-2014 02:08 PM

I think they just roll stuff out when its ready.

The new snazzy Nismo may secretly give some clues about design ideas they are toying with for the Z35... that was a lot of refreshing and fanfare for the last year of a very specific sub-model, especially since they just refreshed the Nismo a wee bit like a year ago...

6spd 10-03-2014 02:19 PM

I'd just keep watching Infiniti. They historically have debuted new tech, platforms and engines right before the Nissan variants are debuted.

Z_ealot 10-03-2014 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2987162)
People speak of the Infiniti Q60 coupe like its a concept car. I see a few every day, my neighbor BOUGHT one.

the current Q60 you see rolling around is a refreshed version of the G37 coupe just with a different badge to match with the rest of infiniti's line-up....the actual q60 coupe that is going to be based off of the Q50 sedan is a couple years away from production so in essence the Q60 coupe you see rolling around now is NOT a Q60

Jordo! 10-03-2014 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2988095)
the current Q60 you see rolling around is a refreshed version of the G37 coupe just with a different badge to match with the rest of infiniti's line-up....the actual q60 coupe that is going to be based off of the Q50 sedan is a couple years away from production so in essence the Q60 coupe you see rolling around now is NOT a Q60

Really? That's news to me, although, body styling aside, I know the current model isn't mechanically different from the last model.

Are there official specs for the actual Q60? That might reveal the most info about the next Z.

On a related note anyone seen this?

http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...s-coupe-3.html

That sure reminds me of the Esflow concept.

Z_ealot 10-03-2014 07:58 PM

Infiniti Q60 Coupe Arriving by 2016: Exec Says » AutoGuide.com News

UNKNOWN_370 10-03-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2988115)
Really? That's news to me, although, body styling aside, I know the current model isn't mechanically different from the last model.

Are there official specs for the actual Q60? That might reveal the most info about the next Z.

On a related note anyone seen this?

HND-9: 2016 Genesis Coupe! - Page 3 - Genesis Forum: GenCoupe Hyundai Genesis Forums

That sure reminds me of the Esflow concept.

And... If Hyundai confirmed that 3.3 turbo? We definitely need that 3.0TT.

UNKNOWN_370 10-03-2014 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2988268)

By the time the "real" Q60 is ready to release, no one is going to care. Unless the Q50 is going to get a MAJOR refresh, that can almost pass as a redesign that same year?

Volk Z 10-04-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2988317)
And... If Hyundai confirmed that 3.3 turbo? We definitely need that 3.0TT.

The only issue is hyundai need to worry about shaving weight

Eclipz 10-04-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2988990)
The only issue is hyundai need to worry about shaving weight

so does the Z

Volk Z 10-05-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eclipz (Post 2989072)
so does the Z

Agreed. The 4 cyl gen coupe weighs 3500 pounds... my wifes 4 door sonata turbo is lighter

Volk Z 10-05-2014 12:15 PM

Nissan need a hit aggressive design. Use a v6 turbo zmd keep the weight under 3000 pounds and they may have a winning combo

Eclipz 10-05-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2989391)
Agreed. The 4 cyl gen coupe weighs 3500 pounds... my wifes 4 door sonata turbo is lighter

i didn't know the 2.0T weighed more than the Z! but yes, weight reduction should be a priority in the development of the Z35

Volk Z 10-05-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Eclipz (Post 2989475)
i didn't know the 2.0T weighed more than the Z! but yes, weight reduction should be a priority in the development of the Z35

I know for the new Supra they will be using the BMW carbon fiber chassis to reduce weight it's too bad Nissan couldn't get on this boat and do this for the Z along with the carbon fiber drive shaft

DOOMMONKEY777 10-05-2014 03:55 PM

Guys have anybody heard about the new Honda civic spec R?(i believe that's the right name) it has 2.0L turbo from factory, and making 275 hp to a light weight body, that V-tech is gonna kick in better than ever trying to catch up to Z, mustang, and genesis.

What u guys think about that?

Dirk McGurck 10-05-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 2989555)
Guys have anybody heard about the new Honda civic spec R?(i believe that's the right name) it has 2.0L turbo from factory, and making 275 hp to a light weight body, that V-tech is gonna kick in better than ever trying to catch up to Z, mustang, and genesis.

What u guys think about that?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...0/48342878.jpg

UNKNOWN_370 10-05-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2988990)
The only issue is hyundai need to worry about shaving weight

Not quite just weight savings...

Yes,they still have cast iron parts in that suspension and they can easily reduce weight by swapping to aluminum There are no carbon fiber parts added on a Genesis Coupe. so that is another option.
Hyundai also needs to learn how to tune ECU's for true sport performance & needs to source beefier transmissions for hard work at the limits.. Genesis coupes are fast but they don't feel like a sports car fast, they feel Altima 3.5SR fast. which is sporty but not sports car sporty. the Genesis Coupe is a good platform but needs a lot of refinement in terms of true sports car nature.
The Z may be "rough and tumble" but it drives like a proper sports car from every aspect. We'll see what the next gencoupe brings.

Volk Z 10-05-2014 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 2989562)

Couldnt have been said any better.

RWD for the win. THat civic will probably priced almost as high as a z or the new frs which will have better power and be just as lightweight but be rwd.

That car is every boy ricers dream.

watson853 10-05-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 2989555)
Guys have anybody heard about the new Honda civic spec R?(i believe that's the right name) it has 2.0L turbo from factory, and making 275 hp to a light weight body, that V-tech is gonna kick in better than ever trying to catch up to Z, mustang, and genesis.

What u guys think about that?


I don't think we will see that car in the states. But we may see its engine in the new s2000.


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Majorwoody 10-05-2014 06:08 PM

Why not add Twin Turbos on the 3.7 VQ engine? The vast majority of 370Z owners have been doing this since its introduction. Besides, if Nissan decides to put a German 2.0T, what will it be called? 200ZXT? Really, the Z started out with a 2.4 straight six and it was named 240Z. By putting in a 2.0T, that would be taking a lot of steps back. How will the Z owners and buyers think? I wouldn't get one personally. Even a 3.0 TT is not a good idea. Been there, done that with thr 300ZX twin turbo. I would like to see a 3.7 TT from the factory. Going with a 3.8 TT or bigger will go right into GTR category and it might kill the Godzilla's sales if a 3.7 TT or bigger becomes an option for the Z. My 2 cents.

Dirk McGurck 10-05-2014 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2989582)
Not quite just weight savings...

Yes,they still have cast iron parts in that suspension and they can easily reduce weight by swapping to aluminum There are no carbon fiber parts added on a Genesis Coupe. so that is another option.
Hyundai also needs to learn how to tune ECU's for true sport performance & needs to source beefier transmissions for hard work at the limits.. Genesis coupes are fast but they don't feel like a sports car fast, they feel Altima 3.5SR fast. which is sporty but not sports car sporty. the Genesis Coupe is a good platform but needs a lot of refinement in terms of true sports car nature.
The Z may be "rough and tumble" but it drives like a proper sports car from every aspect. We'll see what the next gencoupe brings.

They should really put the 5.0L in the Coupe.

Dirk McGurck 10-05-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2989585)
Couldnt have been said any better.

RWD for the win. THat civic will probably priced almost as high as a z or the new frs which will have better power and be just as lightweight but be rwd.

That car is every boy ricers dream.

I love the new Type R. I would own one in a second for a DD.

sizziano 10-05-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorwoody (Post 2989640)
Why not add Twin Turbos on the 3.7 VQ engine? The vast majority of 370Z owners have been doing this since its introduction. Besides, if Nissan decides to put a German 2.0T, what will it be called? 200ZXT? Really, the Z started out with a 2.4 straight six and it was named 240Z. By putting in a 2.0T, that would be taking a lot of steps back. How will the Z owners and buyers think? I wouldn't get one personally. Even a 3.0 TT is not a good idea. Been there, done that with thr 300ZX twin turbo. I would like to see a 3.7 TT from the factory. Going with a 3.8 TT or bigger will go right into GTR category and it might kill the Godzilla's sales if a 3.7 TT or bigger becomes an option for the Z. My 2 cents.


Wait the vast majority of Z owners have TTd their car? Lol wtf

TheBoomSpoon 10-05-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2989582)
Not quite just weight savings...

Yes,they still have cast iron parts in that suspension and they can easily reduce weight by swapping to aluminum There are no carbon fiber parts added on a Genesis Coupe. so that is another option.
Hyundai also needs to learn how to tune ECU's for true sport performance & needs to source beefier transmissions for hard work at the limits.. Genesis coupes are fast but they don't feel like a sports car fast, they feel Altima 3.5SR fast. which is sporty but not sports car sporty. the Genesis Coupe is a good platform but needs a lot of refinement in terms of true sports car nature.
The Z may be "rough and tumble" but it drives like a proper sports car from every aspect. We'll see what the next gencoupe brings.

Just today i pass an altima 3.5ser, just going around a slower car and all of a sudden he guns it with his 3 or 4 passengers and paases me looking over at me. Its those altima race car commercials, every altima even the 2.5 are now faster than the z even loaded down.

The world is dumb!

sizziano 10-05-2014 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2989669)
Just today i pass an altima 3.5ser, just going around a slower car and all of a sudden he guns it with his 3 or 4 passengers and paases me looking over at me. Its those altima race car commercials, every altima even the 2.5 are now faster than the z even loaded down.

The world is dumb!


Lol wut?

Volk Z 10-05-2014 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 2989646)
I love the new Type R. I would own one in a second for a DD.

Its against Nissan owners regulations to own a honda and Nissan. Lol

You want a 32k civic for your daily driver have at it.

Dirk McGurck 10-05-2014 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2989697)
Its against Nissan owners regulations to own a honda and Nissan. Lol

You want a 32k civic for your daily driver have at it.

I would buy it used. I'm never paying more than $16k for a Civic.

Z_ealot 10-05-2014 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2989697)
Its against Nissan owners regulations to own a honda and Nissan. Lol

You want a 32k civic for your daily driver have at it.

96 Honda civic and Nissan note here lol

zguynate 10-05-2014 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majorwoody (Post 2989640)
Why not add Twin Turbos on the 3.7 VQ engine? The vast majority of 370Z owners have been doing this since its introduction. Besides, if Nissan decides to put a German 2.0T, what will it be called? 200ZXT? Really, the Z started out with a 2.4 straight six and it was named 240Z. By putting in a 2.0T, that would be taking a lot of steps back. How will the Z owners and buyers think? I wouldn't get one personally. Even a 3.0 TT is not a good idea. Been there, done that with thr 300ZX twin turbo. I would like to see a 3.7 TT from the factory. Going with a 3.8 TT or bigger will go right into GTR category and it might kill the Godzilla's sales if a 3.7 TT or bigger becomes an option for the Z. My 2 cents.

A 3.7 TT and a 3.8 TT would almost be the same thing. I would almost bet everything I have ever loved that Nissan won't be doing that. A 3.0 turbo would be perfect in my opinion. The 300zx was an awesome car. But the vg30dett was also engineered in the late 80's. Take todays technology and engineering in a new turbo 3.0. Look at these 2-2.5 liter four bangers making 300hp. Put some real engineering in a 3.0 turbo and you could have a SOLID platform to build on for car enthusiast, and a good motor to please the average consumer. Make it a single turbo for simplicity and costs.

Prototyper5 10-06-2014 12:21 AM

Just my .02cents, but I'd just build a nissan version of a lsx V8, making 400 has roughly in stock form and call it a day;)....well that's what I'd want'

~Reagan

Cell 10-06-2014 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Prototyper5 (Post 2989909)
Just my .02cents, but I'd just build a nissan version of a lsx V8, making 400 has roughly in stock form and call it a day;)....well that's what I'd want'

~Reagan

For the money to do a lsx swap, you mind as well turbo the current engine and get more. Or supercharger and still get more power. It would be cheaper.

Majorwoody 10-06-2014 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sizziano (Post 2989662)
Wait the vast majority of Z owners have TTd their car? Lol wtf

4 post and you wanna flex your muscle as an internet thug. My bad, what I meant was the 3.7 vq engine is capable of handling TT.

With all due respect :gtfo2: ! At least I support this forum and own a 370z.

Firebase99 10-06-2014 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2989582)
Not quite just weight savings...

Yes,they still have cast iron parts in that suspension and they can easily reduce weight by swapping to aluminum There are no carbon fiber parts added on a Genesis Coupe. so that is another option.
Hyundai also needs to learn how to tune ECU's for true sport performance & needs to source beefier transmissions for hard work at the limits.. Genesis coupes are fast but they don't feel like a sports car fast, they feel Altima 3.5SR fast. which is sporty but not sports car sporty. the Genesis Coupe is a good platform but needs a lot of refinement in terms of true sports car nature.
The Z may be "rough and tumble" but it drives like a proper sports car from every aspect. We'll see what the next gencoupe brings.

I agree with everything you said, the 370 is head and shoulders a better sports car than the 3.8. I dont even consider the 3.8 Coupe a Sports car, its a GT, and a fantastic, uber comfortable one at that for an unbelievable price. Something the Z did NOT give me for quite a bit more $.


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