Z35 motor theory

aszyd · 07-23-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

They should just call it a paseo.

My first car was a Paseo...

brucelidat · 07-23-2014, 03:17 PM

part of me hopes nissan doesn't put a 3.0 turbo int he next Z so I won't be tempted to losea bunch of money trading in...

Davey · 07-23-2014, 03:57 PM

I promised I would keep my NISMO for 3 years... I figured that's one to enjoy it and two to see how the new model shakes out.

I would love to see them put that truck V8 in a Z, but I'm a sucker for V8's.

kenchan · 07-23-2014, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aszyd

My first car was a Paseo...

you've come a very very long way.

370zrider · 07-23-2014, 05:28 PM

I think the V6 3.0 turbo would be very interesting.
But again, Nissan has been following a path of 300zx with a 3.0lt, 350z with a 3.5lt, 370z with a 3.7lt so, somehow people would expect to keep a continuation of this and it could be a non-handmade 3.8lt NA.

Whatever the engine is, if NISSAN doesn't fix the lack of torque and exhaust note, because of not having appropiate cooling, torque restrictions in the ECU and so on…. it will simply be the same 370z story.

sunkist350z · 07-23-2014, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aszyd

The same, maybe a little less. Gotta compete with the Mustang and Camaro. I love the Z, but a Mustang GT is a great value and can be built to handle.

so go trade in your z then

aszyd · 07-23-2014, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunkist350z

so go trade in your z then

I did say that I love the Z, did I not? Why would I trade my car if I love it? Am I not allowed to recognize that there are other vehicles out there that can be compared to the Z in both specs and price?

370zrider · 07-24-2014, 03:38 PM

you guys have seen this?

Future Cars: Nissan's Next Z Coupe Takes On An Illustrated Diet

Seems more like a Honda CR-Z to me.
Hope Nissan wo'nt aim in that direction, that would be sooo wrong..

Jordo! · 07-24-2014, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zrider

you guys have seen this?

Future Cars: Nissan's Next Z Coupe Takes On An Illustrated Diet

Seems more like a Honda CR-Z to me.
Hope Nissan wo'nt aim in that direction, that would be sooo wrong..

The author claims the 350Z was closer to the orginal 240Z than the current 370Z. Does he mean numerically?

brucelidat · 07-24-2014, 03:49 PM

That article is completely just his take on it, a design exercise. It isn't actually based off of any inside info or anything.

Huck · 07-24-2014, 03:58 PM

Read this in a motor trend article recently, don't know how valid it is...

While the car will feature a low-slung, swooping body, it will be downsized from the current 370Z to dimensions that resemble the original's. That means the car will lose around 2 inches in width from the current 72.6 inches. Our insider mentions that lightweight high-tensile steel will be used to further reduce the car's curb weight by up to 420 pounds to a class-leading 2866 pounds.

According to a source close to Nissan, the Z35 will be powered by a choice of V-6 and four-cylinder engines at first. Company bosses want to phase out the V-6, though a small but strong fan base might lead engineers to retain it.

Nissan feels that it has to "wean" the motoring public off the six cylinder, which has been its mainstay powerplant since the very beginning, and switch to a more fuel-efficient four. We are told that the new four-cylinder will be a 2.5-liter turbo unit and incorporate direct injection to make at least 330 hp. But our insider explains that Nissan bosses are concerned about fuel economy and CO2 emissions, a fact that will almost certainly force them to reduce power to around 280 hp. For a gutsier Z, we can look to the company's in-house tuning arm Nismo, which is rumored to be working on a 330-plus-hp model.

Zdayz 2014!!

Drakonis GTR · 07-24-2014, 06:22 PM

The biggest problem I can see with the partnership with MB is their own ego. What they did with Chrysler back in the day is a perfect example. Sure, they gave Chrysler a few items to add some style to what was a very boring vehicle lineup, but at the same time they were turning them into a redheaded stepchild that their own vehicles would easily out-shine. Sure, the Crossfire did alright, but it was specifically built low power so that it couldn't compete against anything in MB's lineup. Another beautiful example of this is what happened to the Chrysler ME412. A Chrysler designed super car with a quad-turbo AMG V12. Originally slated for production, never made it there. Why? Because it out-performed the Mclaren SLR, and cost a great deal less to R&D.

What's the point of my rant? Merely to say that I wouldn't rely on MB to do much to "improve" the Z. Chances are that if they started to make one that might give any of MB's cars a run for their money performance-wise, MB would have a tantrum and pull the plug.

Getting back to the original topic (I apologize for the tangent), I for one sincerely hope that they stay with the V6, as long as they can get the superior power out of it. If they want to resurrect the 240Z (or would it be 250Z in this case?), so be it, but give those of us who still believe the mantra "there's no replacement for displacement" something to work with.

Bleek · 07-24-2014, 06:38 PM

I'm just praying they don't go I4 turbo

Limeybastard · 07-24-2014, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zrider

I think the V6 3.0 turbo would be very interesting.
But again, Nissan has been following a path of 300zx with a 3.0lt, 350z with a 3.5lt, 370z with a 3.7lt so, somehow people would expect to keep a continuation of this and it could be a non-handmade 3.8lt NA.

Whatever the engine is, if NISSAN doesn't fix the lack of torque and exhaust note, because of not having appropiate cooling, torque restrictions in the ECU and so on…. it will simply be the same 370z story.

Prolly be a 3 litre turbo. Similar to the 335 twin scrolls no doubt.

Spooler · 07-24-2014, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

The author claims the 350Z was closer to the orginal 240Z than the current 370Z. Does he mean numerically?

Your right on that. I hated the 350z. I thought it was ugly. The sweeping back end of the 370z looks more like the early 240-280z.

07-23-2014, 03:17 PM	#47 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	part of me hopes nissan doesn't put a 3.0 turbo int he next Z so I won't be tempted to losea bunch of money trading in... UNKNOWN_370 and zefaulter like this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-23-2014, 05:28 PM	#50 (permalink)
370zrider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Mexico Posts: 106 Drives: 370zM6tour12nosport Rep Power: 12	I think the V6 3.0 turbo would be very interesting. But again, Nissan has been following a path of 300zx with a 3.0lt, 350z with a 3.5lt, 370z with a 3.7lt so, somehow people would expect to keep a continuation of this and it could be a non-handmade 3.8lt NA. Whatever the engine is, if NISSAN doesn't fix the lack of torque and exhaust note, because of not having appropiate cooling, torque restrictions in the ECU and so on…. it will simply be the same 370z story. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ Stillen [gen3 CAI + headers + HFC + Exhaust + UD Pulley + lightweight flywheel] + Uprev e-tune+ PC680 Odyssey battery + oil cooler + MishimotoThermostat = 312whp + 252wtq @1,500mts or 5,000ft elevation

07-24-2014, 03:38 PM	#53 (permalink)
370zrider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Mexico Posts: 106 Drives: 370zM6tour12nosport Rep Power: 12	you guys have seen this? Future Cars: Nissan's Next Z Coupe Takes On An Illustrated Diet Seems more like a Honda CR-Z to me. Hope Nissan wo'nt aim in that direction, that would be sooo wrong.. __________________ Stillen [gen3 CAI + headers + HFC + Exhaust + UD Pulley + lightweight flywheel] + Uprev e-tune+ PC680 Odyssey battery + oil cooler + MishimotoThermostat = 312whp + 252wtq @1,500mts or 5,000ft elevation

07-24-2014, 03:49 PM	#55 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	That article is completely just his take on it, a design exercise. It isn't actually based off of any inside info or anything. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-24-2014, 03:58 PM	#56 (permalink)
Huck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cocoa, Florida Age: 41 Posts: 5,075 Drives: Pantydropper machine Rep Power: 33	Read this in a motor trend article recently, don't know how valid it is... While the car will feature a low-slung, swooping body, it will be downsized from the current 370Z to dimensions that resemble the original's. That means the car will lose around 2 inches in width from the current 72.6 inches. Our insider mentions that lightweight high-tensile steel will be used to further reduce the car's curb weight by up to 420 pounds to a class-leading 2866 pounds. According to a source close to Nissan, the Z35 will be powered by a choice of V-6 and four-cylinder engines at first. Company bosses want to phase out the V-6, though a small but strong fan base might lead engineers to retain it. Nissan feels that it has to "wean" the motoring public off the six cylinder, which has been its mainstay powerplant since the very beginning, and switch to a more fuel-efficient four. We are told that the new four-cylinder will be a 2.5-liter turbo unit and incorporate direct injection to make at least 330 hp. But our insider explains that Nissan bosses are concerned about fuel economy and CO2 emissions, a fact that will almost certainly force them to reduce power to around 280 hp. For a gutsier Z, we can look to the company's in-house tuning arm Nismo, which is rumored to be working on a 330-plus-hp model. Zdayz 2014!! __________________ VLEDS \| Evo-R \| Moddiction \| CF Hood Struts \| F.I. CF CBE & LTH \| Stillen CAI \| NST Pulleys \| UpRev \| Z1 \| M7 \| Status \| Forgestar \| PSS \| Whiteline \| SPL \| SPC \| Kenwood \| Zenclosure \| Kicker \| Alpine Type R

07-23-2014, 03:57 PM	#48 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	I promised I would keep my NISMO for 3 years... I figured that's one to enjoy it and two to see how the new model shakes out. I would love to see them put that truck V8 in a Z, but I'm a sucker for V8's.

07-24-2014, 06:22 PM	#57 (permalink)
Drakonis GTR Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154 Drives: 09' 370Z B/S Rd M6 Rep Power: 12	The biggest problem I can see with the partnership with MB is their own ego. What they did with Chrysler back in the day is a perfect example. Sure, they gave Chrysler a few items to add some style to what was a very boring vehicle lineup, but at the same time they were turning them into a redheaded stepchild that their own vehicles would easily out-shine. Sure, the Crossfire did alright, but it was specifically built low power so that it couldn't compete against anything in MB's lineup. Another beautiful example of this is what happened to the Chrysler ME412. A Chrysler designed super car with a quad-turbo AMG V12. Originally slated for production, never made it there. Why? Because it out-performed the Mclaren SLR, and cost a great deal less to R&D. What's the point of my rant? Merely to say that I wouldn't rely on MB to do much to "improve" the Z. Chances are that if they started to make one that might give any of MB's cars a run for their money performance-wise, MB would have a tantrum and pull the plug. Getting back to the original topic (I apologize for the tangent), I for one sincerely hope that they stay with the V6, as long as they can get the superior power out of it. If they want to resurrect the 240Z (or would it be 250Z in this case?), so be it, but give those of us who still believe the mantra "there's no replacement for displacement" something to work with. __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Base w/ Sport Package F.I . LTHs with Non-Resonated Cat-back exhaust (C.F.) / Stillen Gen3 CAI / Up-Rev Tune

07-24-2014, 06:38 PM	#58 (permalink)
Bleek Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 214 Drives: 2014 Audi A4 Rep Power: 14	I'm just praying they don't go I4 turbo

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