Z Killer ?!?!

kannibul · 09-15-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The bolt on would have to be a few JATO rockets like on Mythbusters!.

For the cost of ONE of those rockets alone, you could buy a Z.

JoeD · 09-15-2009, 11:52 AM

Fox-Body 5.0 Mustang + ~$1m in mods = Veyron killer.

Dallas-Z · 09-15-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dang370z

A= my tricycle
B= 25wet shot
C=370z

think your wrong

If I ever find the picture of my buddy who tapped a GT35R to a tricycle for a quick photo before putting it into his 280sx, I will post it to counter this!!!

One_Quick_Z · 09-15-2009, 12:20 PM

I have heard that alot, But the one thing you have to remember its how the power transfers to the ground, you can make 500whp and only get 400whp of usable power.

DAN

shabarivas · 09-15-2009, 12:35 PM

so are they talking about 290 whp? cus if so - thats very impressive to say the least... I dont know if i will take an eclipse over the Z but its still very impressive

rednek01 · 09-15-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Fox-Body 5.0 Mustang + ~$1m in mods = Veyron killer.

I think you mean about $10-15k in parts, hell my fox including buying it cost a total of close to if not right at $5,000 and I ate vipers and c5 zo6's all day!

sloterg · 09-15-2009, 12:53 PM

1 million in mods.. i dont even wanna think about that

Brazilian Z · 09-15-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sloterg

1 million in mods.. i dont even wanna think about that

Red370 · 09-15-2009, 01:26 PM

lets put this to bed. I own a 4G GT Eclipse. That 290hp is at the crank. With my K&N Typhoon intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Headers, and an AEM Fuel Ignition controller, i've dyno'ed at 277whp/256ft/lbs. With all my mods and RRE motor mounts + Ingalls TQ damper, I ran a 13.6 at sea level. Torque steer is AWFUL, the front tires have traction issues, and the tranny sucks. RIPP has a supercharger system that uses a vortech V5 blower that makes 450whp/344ft/lbs, but everyone that has one are too bigga ******* to run them at the track. Do not talk shyt about a car you know nothing about for those who were, its a great car, I love it. But it is not a Z by any means. There is ZERO aftermarket support for it, and the headers and big power makers are custom jobs, meaning mucho dinero, the headers are $1200. But no chance in hell will it challenge a 370, 350 maybe.

If yall want real info, check Club4G Eclipse.

Red370 · 09-15-2009, 01:33 PM

and btw, the ECU's will "de-tune" themselves, I lost power with my intake and exhaust until I got the AEM FI/C, fukkin lame.

Zikizira · 09-15-2009, 07:41 PM

Hi all,

I am the one who posted the magazine article at the brazilian forum, friend of Brazilian Z. I really love the Z, but have chosen the Eclipse mainly due to its back seats and trunk. I have two children and need that space. Dont even bother to explain me about the performance superiority of any stock Z. I know this.

After discovering trackdays, all my friends kept telling me that I should have chosen the 350Z. But thats life. Now I have two other Eclipse 2G (GST and GSX) and have just purchased an Evo X. But my heart says the only car I would ever exchange for my 4G would be a Nissan GTR R35 (it has back-seats and good trunk space). Maybe I am doing this next year.

The previous statement (friends telling me I should get a Z) is illustrated at the following video: YouTube - My Eclipse 4G History.

Red...take a look at YouTube - ZikiziraBR's Channel. You are going to see videos showing my 4G, with 271whp (automatic, untuned), in a lot of track events. Headers are not custom (there are two options only - RRE and Ripp). Without tuning, the car is piggy rich (AFR), but it is still quite powerfull. I have coilovers, PU bushes and motor mounts, Ingalls Stiffy and other handling mods. Torque steer has never been a problem to me and (please, with all due respect), no 350Z (stock or lightly modded) has ever beaten it at the track...but I am 100% sure that any Z with similar mods, would be a lot better than any 4G.

Technically, we should never compare modded x stock cars. But that statement ("Z Killer"), is a good thing for both cars, imho. For the Z, it is telling that it is a reference, beloved car. For the 4G, it will make people look at it more closely, maybe driving the improvement of aftermarketing support. Its like telling car X is a Mustang Killer. It sells a lot of magazines and lots of car X.

Best regards,
Ziki

PS: "Ziki" is not chosen after Zikiller. "Zikizira", my nickname for years, is a word in portuguese which means kind of a strange sickness condition

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Originally Posted by Red370

lets put this to bed. I own a 4G GT Eclipse. That 290hp is at the crank. With my K&N Typhoon intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Headers, and an AEM Fuel Ignition controller, i've dyno'ed at 277whp/256ft/lbs. With all my mods and RRE motor mounts + Ingalls TQ damper, I ran a 13.6 at sea level. Torque steer is AWFUL, the front tires have traction issues, and the tranny sucks. RIPP has a supercharger system that uses a vortech V5 blower that makes 450whp/344ft/lbs, but everyone that has one are too bigga ******* to run them at the track. Do not talk shyt about a car you know nothing about for those who were, its a great car, I love it. But it is not a Z by any means. There is ZERO aftermarket support for it, and the headers and big power makers are custom jobs, meaning mucho dinero, the headers are $1200. But no chance in hell will it challenge a 370, 350 maybe.

If yall want real info, check Club4G Eclipse.

GingaBreadMan · 09-15-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billydsz

whipped cream on dogshit.

lmao!!!!

DIGItonium · 09-15-2009, 10:09 PM

Welcome to the forums! I miss the GSX... my cousin had a GS-T with GReddy upgrades. Gosh the exhaust sound was, and still is, very deep and smooth sounding... don't forget fast :-)

dainedazz · 09-15-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I think the point here is that saying 'modded car A can make more power than stock car B' is just gay. It's not comparing apples to apples. So an Eclipse with a CAI, headers, and a CBE can take on a stock Z with no mods. Ooooo . . . Big F-ing Deal. Try comparing it to a Z with the same mods.

Red370 · 09-15-2009, 11:24 PM

Zikizira, actually, the RRE short tubes and RIPP long tubes, are in fact, one off builds. They managed to stockpile some over the years. I know Mike at RRE personally. And yes, they do run rich with aspiration mods, easily corrected with the AEM FI/C with Brian J's wiring harness. My 4G has every mod available aside from the RIPP SDS, and while it will take a stock 350, it will never touch my 370. The 4G handles like a tank and has a HUGE turn radius. Great daily driver, but NOT a track star.

some pics of my 4G: http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=DSCN0055.jpg

http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=DSCN0046.jpg

09-15-2009, 12:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
One_Quick_Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Seneca Il Posts: 1,374 Drives: 10 Civic EX Sedan Rep Power: 219	I have heard that alot, But the one thing you have to remember its how the power transfers to the ground, you can make 500whp and only get 400whp of usable power. DAN __________________ -My BRZ with exhaust will decimate all if we overnight parts from Japan- 10 Civic EX Sedan- Current Daily

09-15-2009, 10:09 PM	#28 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 42	Welcome to the forums! I miss the GSX... my cousin had a GS-T with GReddy upgrades. Gosh the exhaust sound was, and still is, very deep and smooth sounding... don't forget fast :-) __________________

09-15-2009, 11:24 PM	#30 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 295	Zikizira, actually, the RRE short tubes and RIPP long tubes, are in fact, one off builds. They managed to stockpile some over the years. I know Mike at RRE personally. And yes, they do run rich with aspiration mods, easily corrected with the AEM FI/C with Brian J's wiring harness. My 4G has every mod available aside from the RIPP SDS, and while it will take a stock 350, it will never touch my 370. The 4G handles like a tank and has a HUGE turn radius. Great daily driver, but NOT a track star. some pics of my 4G: http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=DSCN0055.jpg http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=DSCN0046.jpg Last edited by Red370; 09-15-2009 at 11:31 PM.

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09-15-2009, 11:52 AM	#17 (permalink)
JoeD Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA Posts: 495 Drives: Z Rep Power: 0	Fox-Body 5.0 Mustang + ~$1m in mods = Veyron killer.

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shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	so are they talking about 290 whp? cus if so - thats very impressive to say the least... I dont know if i will take an eclipse over the Z but its still very impressive

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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 295	lets put this to bed. I own a 4G GT Eclipse. That 290hp is at the crank. With my K&N Typhoon intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Headers, and an AEM Fuel Ignition controller, i've dyno'ed at 277whp/256ft/lbs. With all my mods and RRE motor mounts + Ingalls TQ damper, I ran a 13.6 at sea level. Torque steer is AWFUL, the front tires have traction issues, and the tranny sucks. RIPP has a supercharger system that uses a vortech V5 blower that makes 450whp/344ft/lbs, but everyone that has one are too bigga ******* to run them at the track. Do not talk shyt about a car you know nothing about for those who were, its a great car, I love it. But it is not a Z by any means. There is ZERO aftermarket support for it, and the headers and big power makers are custom jobs, meaning mucho dinero, the headers are $1200. But no chance in hell will it challenge a 370, 350 maybe. If yall want real info, check Club4G Eclipse.

09-15-2009, 01:33 PM	#25 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 295	and btw, the ECU's will "de-tune" themselves, I lost power with my intake and exhaust until I got the AEM FI/C, fukkin lame.