apparently he was a shytty driver, or wasnt boosting much. I seen a APS TT'ed Z dust a 500whp EVO IX at desert demonz last friday, its all in how you drive if the numbers are comparable.

Here's a great example of a Z owner:

Tony (did it for teh lulz)

And as far as mod responsiveness on the cheap, an SRT4 beats both the Z and EVO, while not necessarily reliable, Ive seen 11 sec SRTs for less than 8k.

I can't remember the boost he was running (Turbonetics single) but he knew how to plant his foot on the gas and shift.

Was the APS Z built also? Because if it wasn't, I call shenanigans.

Nice you bring up a video with a Turbo 350z (probably $12k-$15k in mods) vs an Evo with an intake, tp, and a boost controller ( probably less than 2K in it including the odd EMS, still on the stock exhaust) If you're going to make a strong argument you will have to do better than that. The Evo guys find this video hilarious because the Turbo Z barely edges out a Evo with minimal mods and a bad driver. Hardly the right video to make a statement with. :rolleyes:

LOL. You're wrong.

Evos can run 11's with simple bolt-ons. I spent $1k and ran a 12.5@110 back when I was a shitty driver with a shitty tune.

LMAO@needing $8k for 11's.

Yes, I'm aware. GM will still repair it and honor the warranty on it. So that's not an issue. And last I checked that fat pig runs a 13.0 and 4.6 0-60. Not too shabby imo.

The Z is still at the top of the list though.

show me that 12.9, i call BS. And yes, GM will honor the warranty, however, when the 400Z comes out and you waana trade, prepare for them scoffing and offering you free oil changes for a year in trade. I dont know what was done to the Z, but regardless, you can have all the HP in the world, coupled with a shytty driver, it dont mean squat. And you said 12's for 1k, 11's are a different story altogether.

And as a former DSM owner/racer, I know the limits of the 4G63, and 11's are attainable, however, beyond 500whp, you need a stouter block.

I also call shenanigans. I've run neck and neck with a TT built motor Z on the highway in my daily driven IX MR (400whp). If I had 100whp more I would have run away from him. The other driver was a friend of mine, who can also drive.

I would imagine what you saw was good driver in the Z vs bad driver in the Evo.

the IX MR with the JDM map has been recorded running a 12.6 bone stock with the launch control (keep in mind this is not USDM and Japan has higher octane gas). Obviously this isn't what we are used to seeing here, but the Evo's here run 11s all day long with basic bolt ons. Hell, they run 10s with minimal work, stock block.

MT says 13.4 and 4.9, its my bible and they use professional drivers, not magazine editors to do said testing. So the Z is cheaper, faster, sexier, I think I just helped you make an elimination.;)

Why would the fact that that division of the company is gone hurt the resale value? It would still be supported by GM by the next owner.

And I edited my post to 13 flat in the 1/4 since that's what most spec reports say. I only saw 12.9 on a couple.

MotorTrend says 13.0 in the 1/4 and 4.5 0-60.
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP - Transmissions and Specs - First Test - Motor Trend

Maybe you were thinking of the G8 GT?

How would a division going under hurt its resale? are you serious? How bout the recent bankruptcy of GM as a whole? And my mistake on the numbers, mind you, there have been 13 flat claims by 370 owners, and with good slicks, 12's for sure.

Rashionale behind poor resale is this, company goes under (GM), spooks potential buyers, demand goes down, cars sell for less, in turn receive less. The Camaro seems to be their only saving grace, but even that wont dig them out of the hole they dug for themselves.

a co-worker of mine tried to trade his Chrysler 300 in on a new Camry, the car was paid off. They offered him 8k, needless to say he still owns the "Phantom" just an ex.