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I hope this thread tears a hole in the Internet Continuum and gets sucked into the same dimension as the Even Horizon where it will be greeted by chaos, pure evil, and Sam Neill...
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Guys why arfe you wasting time on this Mook guy? He is just playing with us, ignore him. Let hime keep his MS3. And now he is asking how much to mod the 370z to 300+ torque? Why are you asking? you don't like the Z anyway. Go buy your USED CAYMAN!!! Why are you not taing RCZ's challenge? you guys are both from FL? Enough of this non-sense afterall we are just probably talking to a boy with fantasies on cars....LOL lol
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I am not about to spend $70k (with options) on a car, whether I can afford it or not. Now that the S2000 is discountinued and the cheap Cayman S is a pipe dream, for me there is no alternative to 370Z at this price range for RWD. So, I am back thinking about getting one and getting used to the extra weight. Maybe wait till 2010 model comes out, see what is gonna change. Never been to a racetrack, so can't take any challenges, sorry. Would be interesting to sit shotgun on a track in a Z that has been only minimally modified to see just how the thing feels at real speeds. |
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Place thread where the sun don't shine aka :icon23:...Thats my thought. :p |
lol @ this thread... if you have ever driven a Z - thats any Z not just a 370... you will take back your silly comparison so fast lol
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Nürburgring lap times 350Z - 8:26 (old 283 HP version) MazdaSpeed3 - 8:39 That's a pretty significant difference. |
I dont know where people get off comparing the Z w/ a goddam grocery getting MS3... I mean sure- its turbo.. but jeez
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I promised myself I wasn't going to do this, and here I am on only my second post. I have both an RX-8 and a 370Z. I love them both. I've had the RX for a few years now. I've had the Z only a few weeks. They're both great cars and they both put a smile on my face . . . they just go about it different ways. The RX is like like dancing with a ballerina - subtlety and poise that can really get you in a zone. The Z is more like one of those hot beach volleyball players - balance and grace in spades, but man she can knock your socks off.
Threads like this encourage us to stand up for the cars we love but at the same time Mook is trying to bait us into dumping on other great cars. Here's a couple of crappy photos. |
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I have alot of love for the MS3. Its a great car and a lot of potential but its not in the same league with the Z stock to stock. Modded its anybodies game however and every car has potential when modded and needs to be respected. |
the ms3 is good for what it is, but it's not in the same class and shouldn't be compared to a Z, we should be comparing an ms3 to the sti and evo :)
just got the call from the dealer, my Z arrived just now i'm scheduled to go tomorrow after work and look at it finally i get to drive one and make my decision. the biggest question is do i want to go 17k more in debt after my trade in, i'm only considering it since i'm way ahead on my car loan. i paid 23k for my ms3 9/07 i owe ~8k as of today, i'm getting 17k for my car in trade. decisions...decision :D |
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and the 8k off msrp and 0% mitsubishi has now :icon14: i wish they had those deals when i got my ms3 |
S2000? are you serious? Read the new issue of DSport, turbo'ed S2000's posting slower track times w a pro driver than a stock 370, your comparisons are proposterous. MS3? Really? BTW, if you can afford a Cayman, you can afford an M3/Used M5, both are far superior IMHO.
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who in their right mind would pick a 265 hp fwd hatch thats only 100 lbs lighter than a 332hp rwd coupe that was made as a sports car to begin with (that whole power to weight mumbo jumbo is bs)..sorry Mook...but you def did not drive the 370z hard enough to appreciate it...the sensation of speed is dulled in a 370z because it actually makes the driver feel comfortable at higher speeds (even the GT-R is like this)..i could fall asleep at 110 in my G37..the s2000 and rx8 on the other hand..despite being amazing handling cars lack top end and do not feel as composed at higher speeds..which is probably why you felt faster in those cars...go to the RX8 forum...even those guys say the 370z is better in every way and even they would consider a 370z...the 370z posted faster times than the EvoX in BOTH Top Gears and it has almost never lost a comparison (except the revised Cayman with PDK)
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The issue I have with M3 and M5 is weight. I am really looking forward to the 1 M series. That might be perfect for me. I drove two Caymans recently and it's very cool how the thing turns. The engine in the middle makes a lot of difference. I used to have an MR2 but Cayman is longer so you really notice the difference (I'd hate to swap ends in this car by accident, must be pretty tough to stop that rotation). Even a 50/50 car like S2000 lacks this feel, maybe because the rotating parts in the engine create extra resistance when trying to turn, kind of like a gyro, not sure. BMW boxer (motorcycle, not car) engines used to have this problem - wouldn't let you lean the bike. I think for drifting a front engine car might be superior, though. |
:shakes head: Perhaps you should just buy one of everything and that way you can drive the absolute perfect car for that particular hour of that particular day!
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:shakes head: MS3 obviously is not a better car than 370Z. And my first post deals with all the shortcomings (steering feel, cheap transmission, fwd, top end drop off, etc). If you really want to be anal about it, the "feel" is all about the torque, which is the ability to change speed, not in the HP, which is ability to maintain speed. We have 280 lb torque @ 3000 rpm for MS3 vs 270lb @ 5200 for the Z. Besides, the top hp in the Z comes at 7000, MS3 - much earlier @ 5,500 rpm. The gearing may also be a bit too tall in the Z contributing to the lack of low end "power feel". To top it all, ms3 can be about 200lb lighter. If you don't think 200lb is a big deal - put your mother in law in your trunk and drive around. Put it all together, and on a straight line from a rolling start you get more excitement out of MS3. Now, if you actually enjoy getting creative in turns once in a while - there is no comparison. Drag race, same thing. Almost any tight RWD car has a huge advantage. All in all at about 4000 rpm the 2 cars may feel about equally powerful but one has more weight. Take a look at this comparo that I just found: Winding Road Magazine | Issue 46 - page 146 ("for the starters 370Z did not actually 'feel' that much faster than any of the others... The engine is adequately powerful, but doesn't feel as willing to rev or as potent as the horsepower numbers might lead you to believe...") Of course, they go on to say that 370Z is the best overall car, no doubt about it. I don't understand why it's suddenly offensive to talk about shortcomings of a car. But hey, if everyone is so offended - I will go away. |
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For someone who doesn't own a 370Z to join a internet forum established specifically for 370Z enthusiasts and give everyone his/her learned opinion about what's wrong with the vehicle isn't offensive; just rather dumb. Maybe I should go join a forum dedicated to the C6 Corvette because I've thought about buying one "sometime"...I can then tell them everything I don't like about the car...I love the engine/drivetrain; even in the base model but I really hate OnStar, the 'Vette's crappy seats and it's vacuum tube based navigation system...I'm sure they would be real receptive over there. :) |
Rober that's awesome and coming from an intelligent person not from a Boy!
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Im sorry if I came up a lil aggressive but if the OP comes in here and as his first post he says "test drove the Z...didnt feel that fast at all...Cayman S is awesomezzz"...then he should buy a cayman S instead of ranting about how the Z was a letdown at actual Z owners or how awesome a discontinued s2000 felt or how great a used 45k car felt.. |
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As I said before DONT WASTE TIME ON THIS IDIOT. He is just playing around. You know one of those who really Can't afford a car but just read the magazines and pissed off everyone. Ignore this Idiot Mook. th name Mook is already a start don't you think?
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welp looks like no 370z for me, my car came in, went to drive it, awesome car , 19 miles on her. walk in to work out #'s.
i had already got a quote from danny at fontana nissan for 31,419 +ttl for the car (base pearl white with sport package, 6spd, splash guards, floor and trunk mats ). he was great to deal with, i guess the owner/gm didn't want the sale as they tried to make up the diff back in my trade-in. here is the nada Base Price $15,050 $16,250 $17,225 $20,150 ------------ rough -- average-- clean--- retail now the offers i've gotten in trade in from mitsubishi are 16.9 and lexus offered me 17k for my ms3 i waited to long and all the silver evo's are gone now :( and i decided i didn't want to drive an automatic didn't care about the apr as i was going to finance thru my credit union for 4.98% only the bottom line prices mattered. well they offered me 12.5k lol i said you guys are giving me trade-in on a regular mazda3 hatchback, they came back with 13.5k and that was the highest they could go. if they gave me anywhere near what the other dealers were offering, i would have driven home in her. i guess i can try to private party sell my car, but by then it will be gone as i waited about 3 mos for this one to arrive. good luck to everyone else looking. to bad i couldn't get one :\ |
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Well ......... he got lots hits.....but then, that was the intention.
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the s2000 is one of the ugliest cars i ever see on the road,, it looks like a POS with no curves, dull colors and probably even duller drivers.:gtfo2: of here z haters, go to your own bad site
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M3 engine, 330 hp / 262 lb (huge low end), 3200 lb and 50/50 weight, a real mechanical M3 LSD. Check out this comparo by Brits, funny as hell: BMW Z4 M Coupe vs Porsche Cayman S - Feeling the burn - Top Gear I bought mine two days ago. If the "feel" is what you are after and you want a rwd, this might be for you. No way it will beat Z on the track, except on the drag strip, but fun factor bests all the other cars I have driven. It feels like a beast, faster than the Mazda and it has the M3 engine so don't worry about low end, lol. In sport mode and traction control off, it demands lots of driver input. If Z is the real life hero, M coupe is a comic book hero. No match for the real thing, but a lot more fun. Although, some mags listed 4.4 to 60 in the M Roadster, coups a bit slower. Oh, and it comes with concierge button - lol. Just don't expect the same fuel efficiency as the Z |
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It is a super clean design which has plenty of curves, looks substantial, aggressive, and has aged very well. I own an S2000 now and used to have a 350z Roadster. Never driven a 370z yet so cant compare, but S2000 is a much funner car than my 350 was. When I get in my S2k I feel like i "put it on" and not got in (if that makes sense to anyone). The 350 was not the same, not to say it was bad, just different. The 350 felt faster (Torque) and was way more comfortable. Really its a matter of prefrence of what you like, and from the reviews Ive read about the 370 it seems to emulate a similar connection with the driver that the s2k does, but also has the comfort/power, and thats why Im considering getting one as my next ride. Everyone also must remember S2000 is a 10 year old design with nearly half the engine size. Yet even today it hangs with he best of them. This does say alot about what kind of car it is. Santent's statement is just as "boy racer" as saying a sup'd up econobox = sports car |
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Enjoy the S and when you want to upgrade the Z awaits you!:excited: |
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MotorTrend 6/2007: Test Driver Max Angellini (Pro Driver) 1:54.990 Honda Civic SI 1:51.733 Mini Cooper S JC Works GP 1:50.738 Honda S2000 1:50.375 Mazdaspeed3 GT 1:49:038 BMW335i 1:47.926 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR 1:47.577 Porsche Cayman S 1:45.818 Lotus Exige S 1:40.919 Chevrolet Corvette (C6) Z06 1:39.517 Porsche 911 (997) GT3 MotorTrend 10/2008: Test Driver Randy Pobst (Pro Driver) 1:51.977 Mini Coope S (2nd Gen) 1:50.418 Mazda RX8 1:47.751 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 1:47.713 Mitsubishi Evo MR (Evo X) 1:44.716 Ford Shelby GT500KR 1:42.964 BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.507 Porsche 911 (997) Turbo 1:40.920 Audi R8 1:40.453 Nissan GTR 1:35.117 Dodge Viper ACR MotorTrend 10/2009: Test Driver Randy Pobst (Pro Driver) 1:52.200 2009 Mazda MX-5 Miata 1:46.500 2010 Nissan Nismo 370Z 1:46.000 2009 BMW 135i 1:45.700 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1:45.400 2010 Jaguar XFR 1:44.400 2010 Shelby GT500 1:43.900 2009 Cadillac CTS-V 1:43.000 2009 Porsche Cayman S PDK 1:40.800 2009 Audi R8 1:35.800 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Looks like the 370Z is a pretty decent value, that being said Nissan Motor Co really needs to get off their butt and install a real LSD, appropriate coolers for the Oil/Tranny/Power Steering and real seats on the Nismo to turn it into a proper car that can be tracked reliably. Just my 2 cents. |
I just sold my 400whp Mazdaspeed3 GT and bought a 370z. The sports car feel of of the 370z caught me by surprise. Low, raked windshield, big wing (nismo), rear wheel wag with tcs off, but by far, my mazdaspeed was way more satisfying, and fast :(
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And might I ask a list of mods? 400whp sounds a lot for the MS3 unless you rebuilt the motor... |
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