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Dude! Your car doesnt even beat the Solstice or the Sky and they are both the same setup as yours.

0-60 slightly better due to RWD. 1/4 mile times favor the Mazdaspeed3.

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Originally Posted by Sand123 (Post 290144)

0-60 slightly better due to RWD. 1/4 mile times favor the Mazdaspeed3.

Isn't there a Mazda forum you can hang out in? I mean what's the deal with you...you come into a an forum dedicated to the 370Z to talk about how great Mazda's are...does that really make sense to you?

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 290170)

My last post to him was to egg him on and he bit. Having some fun with him now.

This is such an odd post?! What did you hope to accomplish if I may ask? You joined a 370Z forum and basically bashed it. Did you make similar posts on the Mazda forums, Cayman forums, RX8 forums, or S2000 forums??? All I got from your post was you justifying your purchase of the Mazda...buyers remorse? And if I'm correct(which I think I am) you only posted this here right? Which tells me you wanted the Z but for whatever reason, you didn't get it, so you fabricated this to make yourself feel better about your Mazda. The Cayman is the only car that is comparable to the Z performance wise. Some of your opinions are also not accurate, IE S2000 vs Z... The 370 will walk an S2K on any road course in the hands of capable drivers. Although, autoX would be a different story. Congrats on your new car, but FWD=massive understeer and not the best way to put down power, but you already knew that. I hope you don't find this offensive, but it might be worth a read.

I wasn't the op on this post. The op didn't actually buy a Mazda, he bought something else, I think it was the Porsche Cayman if i remember correctly. I've driven a Cayman S, wonderful car. About the same power as a 370Z but doesn't have the NVH factor up high in the rev band.

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Originally Posted by Sand123 (Post 291530)

The Cayman is the ugliest car Porsche has ever made. Fugly! Even more fugly than the bug-fugley Panamera and their SUV, which is hideous.

The 370Z is a beautiful car. What's wrong with a little NVH in a sports car? Are you some kind of sissy? :shakes head:

not sure if this is gonna help, but during Car Magazine's PCOTY 2009 the Z was only less than a second off the TT-RS on a wet track...not bad considering the fact that the Z almost matched an $60k awd car with more power...the cayman s pdk on the other hand was about 1.5 seconds faster than the Z...damn we need a DCT in the Z...the new Z4 is still the ugly slowpoke

shows you guys how far the Z can go..

Rockingham lap times

here's one for anglessey national...the Z also did very well, make sure you compare with other AE PCOTY 2009 cars...since conditions are the same

Anglessey National

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What's wrong with a little NVH in a sports car? Are you some kind of sissy?

An engine should sing sweetly near its redline, it should feel like it wants to be there. The NVH factor has been the biggest complaint of the all the major auto journalists. I'd say it's probably the Z's only significant fault. And it's pretty good to only have one.

Please don't compare the Mazda 3 with the 370Z...its just not in the same class no matter who much you want it to be...I have never been interested in one so I don't have an educated response. But I would say maybe the Sky or Solstice or maybe the Neon SRT's or Cobalt SS....but not he Z.

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Originally Posted by Sand123 (Post 292266)

:rolleyes:

Here is my input......all cars listed are RWD, n/a, and are considered a sports coupe (don't know if the 8 is considered a coupe) except the MS 3, so why consider a lemon to 4 apples? Agreeably the MS3 maybe be more bang for the buck and maybe faster with a chip, but seriously as everyone has said before these are different cars for different people. I'd say the MS3 is comparable to the likes of a FI econo box like the evo, sti, srt-4....it's for people who want a fast car, but also like the extra room for friends and luggage. There is obviously bias in this test, but hey if you own and really like one of the cars in the test, it's to be expected.

I'm also guessing that image is also another factor, some people may want to attract other people that are into street racing, others may just want to show that they have deep pockets. Either way, choose what appeals to you and your lifestyle. I wanted to be a racer boy and liked all of the typical racer boy cars. Now that I'm over that phase, just give me a 7spd 370z and I'll be happy.

Also consider what will you be using it for. For me my mind was always "need a M/T car so I can be cool and add 500000000hp to it"....then I got my facts straight, I don't street race, I drove m/t once for a day and I'm too lazy to shift, and I'm not going to the extreme end of modding performance wise.

To clear up what seem to be abundant misconceptions about my reasons for posting on this forum, I will say this: I didn't come here to disparage the Z, despite what many of you seem to think. I also didn't create this post. I came here to find some subjective impressions of Z ownership that you can't get from reading magazine articles because I have been considering buying one. I am trying to figure out if the performance benefit/fun-to-drive factor of the Z outweighs the advantage of having four dours and room for 5 people in my car.

Comparing the Z to a FWD car from Japan that is a second slower to 100 mph isn't disparaging the Z--it's part of my own decision making process. And while that is like comparing apples to oranges, the comparison is fitting for me because these are the two cars I am choosing between. What is that tradeoff worth to me? Will I have that much more fun tossing the Z around an autocross course, or around a hairpin, that it outweighs being able to fit more than two people in the car? That's a tough question to answer. So yes, of course the Z is faster than the Mazdaspeed3, stock for stock. But it certainly isn't a world of difference. Having driven the 370Z, then getting into my car (even though mine has bolt-ons) both cars seem to accelerate similarly merging onto the highway. Personally, it's more of a preference for the RWD than an extra 30 hp. I love tail-out powerslides as much as anyone else, and you obviously can't do that in a FWD car no matter how much power it has. And whether that performance benefit is worth it, I still have yet to decide.

It's all about the handling. The car loves corners, there's nothing better than rolling around your favorite ramp in a perfect 4-wheel drift.

But to be honest, practicality usually trumps all. If I needed to carry 4 people and there wasn't a sedan in our household then I probably wouldn't have this car.

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Originally Posted by Sand123 (Post 293220)

To clear up what seem to be abundant misconceptions about my reasons for posting on this forum, I will say this: I didn't come here to disparage the Z, despite what many of you seem to think. I also didn't create this post. I came here to find some subjective impressions of Z ownership that you can't get from reading magazine articles because I have been considering buying one. I am trying to figure out if the performance benefit/fun-to-drive factor of the Z outweighs the advantage of having four dours and room for 5 people in my car.

Comparing the Z to a FWD car from Japan that is a half second slower to 100 mph isn't disparaging the Z--it's part of my own decision making process. And while that is like comparing apples to oranges, the comparison is fitting for me because these are the two cars I am choosing between. What is that tradeoff worth to me? Will I have that much more fun tossing the Z around an autocross course, or around a hairpin, that it outweighs being able to fit more than two people in the car? That's a tough question to answer. So yes, of course the Z is faster than the Mazdaspeed3, stock for stock. But it certainly isn't a world of difference. Having driven the 370Z, then getting into my car (even though mine has bolt-ons) both cars seem to accelerate similarly merging onto the highway. Personally, it's more of a preference for the RWD than an extra 30 hp. I love tail-out powerslides as much as anyone else, and you obviously can't do that in a FWD car no matter how much power it has. And whether that performance benefit is worth it, I still have yet to decide.

I say it's on your wants vs. needs and useability. How often are you going to autocross? Is this car for me or do I have a family? Here is a personal example: I was invited to do a IDPA match (International Defensive Pistol Association) which I did do, but the thing is I only did it once and here is the problem I came to: I spent alot of money on useless things that I only used once, an el chepo holster then I upgraded to a more expensive one, a airsoft practice gun that I though was going to help me practice my shooting since "I though" I was going to do this shooting regularly....but in the end I wasted money that would have been beneficial elsewhere, ohhh like paying off school bills and credit cards :icon14:. So for me I would like a z in the near future as an upgrade to my corolla. Of course its weird comparing a gun to a car since a car will get used more often, and if this post sounds point less, its cause I'm very hungry right now and I am leaving to go get some food.....and maybe write more than 7 word for my paper....:rofl2:

wow OP who goes onto a car forum and tells them their car sucks? not smart.

My input: Well i have a 07 honda s2000. It was boosted to about 370 whp with a rotrex blower. i took it off and now im going with a different bigger blower + shot of nitrous. shooting for about 500+. Also have front sway, x brace, tein coilovers; etc. it was running the 1/4 12.5 @ 115-117.

Now the stock s2000 is a drivers car. BUT its not that fast. it takes boost to make it keep up with todays cars. honda never kept up with other manufacturers. However, i think the platform is gr8 for modding. Stock motor can enough enough boost to hit 400 easily. The guy who said he was tracking his S at 257 whp; etc is BSing somewhere because its VERY hard to get the S2000 to 257 whp on a real dyno (aka no dynapacks) NA. That motor is maxed out from factory.

Now the 370 i love. It looks nice and def. is faster than the S around a track. IT can handle turns and is faster straight line. I cant wait to c results for boosted 370s. OP i think is smoking something. The MS3 IMO sucks. Its a boosted motor in a car that handles like ****. immense amount of understeer. And at the end of the day its FWD.

Oh and sti's, evos; etc are still considered sports cars. they are built for rally racing. They handle their own in autocross, tracking; etc.