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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23 VDC off shouldn't mean = instant crash.. Should read up on the crash threads... Damn near every one involves "VDC Off" But yes I do agree,

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Old 08-02-2013, 12:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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VDC off shouldn't mean = instant crash..
Should read up on the crash threads... Damn near every one involves "VDC Off" But yes I do agree, it shouldn't mean instant crash. But when there is a crash, 90% of the time it's Hooning gone bad without VDC
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All of these accident threads are making me feel like I'm driving on borrowed time. Knock on wood!
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was this the chocolate cube story?


op- sorry to hear and see. hope you learned a lesson from your son. at least you are still alive and here posting about it. GL with the repairs or new car.
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Perhaps I need to cut down on my vdc off power slides.
But then again, perhaps not.

You may have induced lift off oversteer. Next time (if you ever risk doing so again - or the others out there) don't lift off! Be smooth. And don't Scandinavian flick on the streets. I have bad (although still pretty fun) experiences with that. On closed roads / tracks of course.
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Perhaps I need to cut down on my vdc off power slides.
But then again, perhaps not.

You may have induced lift off oversteer. Next time (if you ever risk doing so again - or the others out there) don't lift off! Be smooth. And don't Scandinavian flick on the streets. I have bad (although still pretty fun) experiences with that. On closed roads / tracks of course.
Someone watches too much Top Gear. Lift off oversteer is USUALLY a FWD issue
RWD cars oversteer by mashing the pedal down
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Someone watches too much Top Gear. Lift off oversteer is USUALLY a FWD issue
RWD cars oversteer by mashing the pedal down
Not sure on the top gear reference, but I'm not afraid to say I used 'lift off oversteer' in a wrong way. Heck the only time I'm 100% sure I've experienced it was in a video game. But I do know that for me, using the throttle when I don't have traction has been safer for me than letting off and using the brake. I've normally spun out when slamming the brake in my noob days coming out of a drift / power slide, but have since then been able to better control it with throttle.

I was in a friend's car that had wheels bent in roughly 15 degrees in a crash, and that's what totaled it (shattered axles and whatnot..) my money is on it being totaled. Claim it under insurance then switch providers. You'll still get an increase in payments, but it'll usually be less that way
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Someone watches too much Top Gear. Lift off oversteer is USUALLY a FWD issue
RWD cars oversteer by mashing the pedal down
I took his comment to be correct. Its like a bike, in a turn if you being to slide out and close the throttle the bike will snap back. it over steers to the opposite side and "high sides you off about 5-10-20 feet into the air. Same goes for a car, slide, close, it snaps and slides to the other side. To me that says "lift off oversteer, to other side that you were over steering on."

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I took his comment to be correct. Its like a bike, in a turn if you being to slide out and close the throttle the bike will snap back. it over steers to the opposite side and "high sides you off about 5-10-20 feet into the air. Same goes for a car, slide, close, it snaps and slides to the other side. To me that says "lift off oversteer, to other side that you were over steering on."



side note, Ol Lorenzo had some bad highsides in his rookie year.
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side note, Ol Lorenzo had some bad highsides in his rookie year.
Lol. Thank god I never have! Once all most but my boot caught the tank, my body rubbed the ground, but the bike stabalized and went straight and I just used it to climb back on and up. The guy behind me after the race was S-ing bricks when he came over to talk to me haha
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Someone watches too much Top Gear. Lift off oversteer is USUALLY a FWD issue
RWD cars oversteer by mashing the pedal down
Lift off oversteer is a mid/rear engine car issue. When you lift off the throttle, the weight transfer moves forward, giving the front tires grip, but also makes the rear light. With less grip on the rear tires, a mid/rear car begins to rotate it's rear biased weight around the now grippy front tires. This is what made 70s and 80s (90s probably too) Porsche 911s treacherous to drive.

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Lift off oversteer is a mid/rear engine car issue. When you lift off the throttle, the weight transfer moves forward, giving the front tires grip, but also makes the rear light. With less grip on the rear tires, a mid/rear car begins to rotate it's rear biased weight around the now grippy front tires. This is what made 70s and 80s (90s probably too) Porsche 911s treacherous to drive.
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Lift off oversteer is an issue specific to mid/rear cars, but every car can do it. Especially if you put a stiff roll bar on the rear, combine it with crappy tires and drive on wet roads. But if you do that, then you are just looking for it aren't you?
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Sorry to hear, OP.

I can tell you this... VDC on or off, a faster than usual right turn with gravel on the road is scary.
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