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cossie1600 07-23-2013 02:00 AM

370 PSA, fill up your tank or turn left only
 
I don't want to say too much except I had to be towed to the gas station again. This is my third tow related to fuel starvation. I had about 6 or 7 dots on my gauge, but apparently that isn't enough for street driving. So do yourself a favor, keep the tank fill or prepare to get stranded or run over by trucks at the on ramp.

DEpointfive0 07-23-2013 02:22 AM

How fast are you taking these turns???
And maybe your fuel pump is on it's way out as well

Wonka2581 07-23-2013 02:24 AM

:iagree: cant you just turn everything off and just turn the car back on?

Why tow?

DEpointfive0 07-23-2013 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 2414572)
:iagree: cant you just turn everything off and just turn the car back on?

Why tow?

Air bubble in the system f's the whole thing, having a full tank of gas helps immensely

Wonka2581 07-23-2013 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2414574)
Air bubble in the system f's the whole thing, having a full tank of gas helps immensely

ok, but when you turn off the hole car and you go to restart it does the fuel system not reprime it self,

DEpointfive0 07-23-2013 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 2414576)
ok, but when you turn off the hole car and you go to restart it does the fuel system not reprime it self,

Yeah, I was trying to edit, but normally when you hit fuel starve, you need 5ish gallons of gas to get it restarted and even then, you might drain your battery... If OP was at 6-7 dots, I don't see why he couldn't get it started...

Wonka2581 07-23-2013 02:59 AM

ok got ya

cossie1600 07-23-2013 03:12 AM

40 to 45mph. It's not that I was taking the turn fast. I hit the gas after the corner, that's what essentially killed it. Turning it off you risk even harder to get started. You are best praying that gas will return. Such stupid of me, why do I trust the stupid fuel gauge. I need to fill up every 3 days instead of once a week argggg

DEpointfive0 07-23-2013 03:31 AM

Yeah, I don't have that problem
I feel your fuel pump is on it's way out especially if you've fuel starved before

cossie1600 07-23-2013 03:34 AM

I wish it was that easy of a fix, but I guarantee it will do nothing. The pump simply gets no gas once the reserve runs out inside the little container and all the fuel sloshes to the left side. We need Nissan to put a revision on that motherf-ing part.

Stealth36 07-23-2013 03:45 AM

I find this issue so weird. I have gone down to 1 dot multiple times and once it went down to 0 dots but I've never had a problem. Usually I'm not on the accelerator much when I'm down that low because I just want to get to the gas station but I definitely been on the gas and corners with less than 7 dots.

MB_Z 07-23-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth36 (Post 2414589)
I find this issue so weird. I have gone down to 1 dot multiple times and once it went down to 0 dots but I've never had a problem. Usually I'm not on the accelerator much when I'm down that low because I just want to get to the gas station but I definitely been on the gas and corners with less than 7 dots.

I've been on both ends. I've dropped all the way down to zero dots no issues what so ever 5-6 dots and a double clover on ramp put me on the side of the road. I was definetly pushing it when it cut out though not exactley "street driving" I just take it slow when I'm down below half a tank :ugh2: thanks Nissan

Bret86944 07-23-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MB_Z (Post 2414662)
I've been on both ends. I've dropped all the way down to zero dots no issues what so ever 5-6 dots and a double clover on ramp put me on the side of the road. I was definetly pushing it when it cut out though not exactley "street driving" I just take it slow when I'm down below half a tank :ugh2: thanks Nissan

Were you able to get it started or did you need a tow?

DR_ 07-23-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2414587)
I wish it was that easy of a fix, but I guarantee it will do nothing. The pump simply gets no gas once the reserve runs out inside the little container and all the fuel sloshes to the left side. We need Nissan to put a revision on that motherf-ing part.

Yep it is a very bad design. And as you have noticed the pump can't prime when that container is empty and the only way to get it to prime is to fill the tank full enough that the gas goes over the walls of that little container.

enkei2k 07-23-2013 08:18 AM

Sucks for your troubles :(

Isn't 6-7 dots almost half a tank? :icon14:

geddy lee 07-23-2013 08:56 AM

I have been down to 1 dot and 0 dots plenty of times and never had this problem

cheshirecat 07-23-2013 09:24 AM

IMO, out of all the problems this chassis has experienced over its lifetime, this is the worst one. To me, it's just a completely unacceptable design flaw.

kidkotic2001 07-23-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth36 (Post 2414589)
I find this issue so weird. I have gone down to 1 dot multiple times and once it went down to 0 dots but I've never had a problem. Usually I'm not on the accelerator much when I'm down that low because I just want to get to the gas station but I definitely been on the gas and corners with less than 7 dots.

Im in the same boat I have done this at least three times and have not had this issue yet.

Mr&Mrs 07-23-2013 09:56 AM

I have had it happen a few times and im boosted so its very scary! I do think if you are at WOT coming out of the corner your chances of this happening are very high.

I do not see how it is possible to be down to 1 or 0 dots and not have this happen. It got me with 3/4 of a tank once. Granted I need more fuel and was screaming up an on ramp.

This is without a doubt a problem that needs fixing!

DR_ 07-23-2013 10:10 AM

All you guys saying you go down to 0 or 1 dots and it not happening are not reading how to recreate this issue. Take it down that low and then go on a long right had corner while applying power. I guarantee you will fuel starve in this scenario. Have your tow hook handy :)

MB_Z 07-23-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bret86944 (Post 2414713)
Were you able to get it started or did you need a tow?

I was able to get it started again the first attempt the engine turned but never fired after letting it sit for 5 minutes it fired back up

MB_Z 07-23-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2414730)
Sucks for your troubles :(

Isn't 6-7 dots almost half a tank? :icon14:

With out looking i thinks it's just above a quarter tank there's 19 -20 dots I believe got bored in traffic and counted one day

red2010z 07-23-2013 10:14 AM

KNOCKED ON WOOD!

Never had a issue and I have ran it almost bone dry. <15 miles to empty.

Vichtz 07-23-2013 10:27 AM

i agree with the minority here. I have been 1 to 2 dots in hard turns and had no issues what so ever...

kittens 07-23-2013 10:32 AM

There are 16 dots I think at least in my '09.. I've been down to 0 dots also but this thread will make me fill up earlier

cossie1600 07-23-2013 10:42 AM

I just verified. I was at 6 dot when it happened, it dropped to 5 dot when I stalled.

Just have your AAA ready when it happens. I can't believe it cut out that easy on the street argg

kenchan 07-23-2013 11:05 AM

this is odd, cause i do quick right turns often and wot if open road... and no issue. must be something on your car, cossie.

i fill at 1/2 tank. hope you get that fixed.

Mitco39 07-23-2013 11:10 AM

I had 4 dots when it happened, the gauge dropped to no dots and the car stalled. I turned the key on and sat there for awhile with the pump on. There must have been just enough fuel to transfer back over cuz in about 2-3 minutes I was good to go again.

It does indeed suck though.

kenchan 07-23-2013 11:16 AM

maybe im not taking my right turns faast enough. :mad:

should both my right tires be off the ground while i make this fast right turn?

Mitco39 07-23-2013 11:24 AM

I was doing oh probably about 80-85 mph around a on-ramp onto the freeway. Left a beamer in the dust till the car quit, lol.

synolimit 07-23-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2414564)
I don't want to say too much except I had to be towed to the gas station again. This is my third tow related to fuel starvation. I had about 6 or 7 dots on my gauge, but apparently that isn't enough for street driving. So do yourself a favor, keep the tank fill or prepare to get stranded or run over by trucks at the on ramp.

I don't get it, tank still has fuel. If the purge tank always runs dry because of the sharp turning than all you'd have to do is prime the pump a few times. Same as if you ever replaced a fuel pump before. Turn the ignition on but don't start it like 5-6 times. The pump will suck up fuel into the purge tank and fill it back up. Than you can start the car. Unless I'm missing something here! Every fuel pump I've done before is on an empty tank. When you pull everything out and dump the purge tank and swap pumps, the purge is put back in bone dry. Only way to fill it back up is fill the tank completely (which isn't possible in your garage) or prime it several times. It shouldnt be a big issue.

kenchan 07-23-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 2415103)
I was doing oh probably about 80-85 mph around a on-ramp onto the freeway. Left a beamer in the dust till the car quit, lol.

...ok, im definitely not going fast enough then... :rofl2:

Mitco39 07-23-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2415106)
I don't get it, tank still has fuel. If the purge tank always runs dry because of the sharp turning than all you'd have to do is prime the pump a few times. Same as if you ever replaced a fuel pump before. Turn the ignition on but don't start it like 5-6 times. The pump will suck up fuel into the purge tank and fill it back up. Than you can start the car. Unless I'm missing something here! Every fuel pump I've done before is on an empty tank. When you pull everything out and dump the purge tank and swap pumps, the purge is put back in bone dry. Only way to fill it back up if fill the tank completely or prime it several times. It should be a big issue.

The problem is is that the tank has 2 chambers or a saddle so to speak. Take a hard right and all the fuel will spill over into the left saddle. The pump will sit there in the right saddle and wont be able to prime itself. It has a transfer system to suck fuel back over to the right side but as you know you need a bit of fuel on the right side to begin with to be able to get enough suction.

Mitco39 07-23-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2415115)
...ok, im definitely not going fast enough then... :rofl2:

Its one of the few places you can push the car without really worrying about your speed. Make the turn then slow back down for the freeway. The car could have held more speed to, it stayed planted the whole time.

synolimit 07-23-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 2415122)
The problem is is that the tank has 2 chambers or a saddle so to speak. Take a hard right and all the fuel will spill over into the left saddle. The pump will sit there in the right saddle and wont be able to prime itself. It has a transfer system to suck fuel back over to the right side but as you know you need a bit of fuel on the right side to begin with to be able to get enough suction.

I've seen the pics inside. With 7 dots the hump isn't big enough to not allow some of the fuel to go back over I'd think. I've seen the tube also on the left side which should bring some back so i don't know. Not saying this is a myth, but more time, more primes?

Haboob 07-23-2013 11:46 AM

We don't have many sweeping rights here in Phoenix, so I don't even have an opportunity to recreate this.

However, I'm taking a trip up North soon through some twisty's and I'm kind of worried.

Wondering if I should get a couple-gallon cans, fill them, and keep them in the hatch during the drive just in case. :icon17: Sounds like I'd need more though. :thumbsdown:

Mitco39 07-23-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2415156)
I've seen the pics inside. With 7 dots the hump isn't big enough to not allow some of the fuel to go back over I'd think. I've seen the tube also on the left side which should bring some back so i don't know. Not saying this is a myth, but more time, more primes?

You could be right, Like I said my car died and I just sat there and primed the pump and was able to nurse it back to 100 percent on the side of the road. My gauge went from 4 dots down to 0 around that turn as well.

synolimit 07-23-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2415158)
We don't have many sweeping rights here in Phoenix, so I don't even have an opportunity to recreate this.

However, I'm taking a trip up North soon through some twisty's and I'm kind of worried.

Wondering if I should get a couple-gallon cans, fill them, and keep them in the hatch during the drive just in case. :icon17: Sounds like I'd need more though. :thumbsdown:

Well from what they're saying 5 should be enough since the pump and fill up is on the right side. I have 3 5 gallon cans at home. I still want to do this since I have a 2013 with lots of things changed from the older years. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't fix it.

Haboob 07-23-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2415174)
Well from what they're saying 5 should be enough since the pump and fill up is on the right side. I have 3 5 gallon cans at home. I still want to do this since I have a 2013 with lots of things changed from the older years. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't fix it.

Yeah, same. I have taken sharp rights kind of quick (for me anyways) and nothing has happened yet.

I guess I just need to take it out to a huge parking lot and have some fun to test it out and bring some fuel along just in case.

synolimit 07-23-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 2415172)
You could be right, Like I said my car died and I just sat there and primed the pump and was able to nurse it back to 100 percent on the side of the road. My gauge went from 4 dots down to 0 around that turn as well.

Well there you go! How many primes? And with time the tube probable let fuel drip back over, fill up the right side, you did enough primes, and bingo.

Still a major design flaw and will be no fun racing.


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