2016 Nissan Z: Sorry, Z Fans, No Return to Roots Just Yet

Mines 370z · 06-23-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dizenman

Be thankful you never owned an rx8 then. Doesnt make a lick of power below 5000 rpm and the tranny grinds in just about gear. Biggest mistake going from my 350z to that. finally working on getting into a 370z...

Man I almost made that mistake when I get my 350Z back a few years ago, glad I didn't get that RX8...I dodged the bullet on that one.

Z_ealot · 06-23-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dizenman

Be thankful you never owned an rx8 then. Doesnt make a lick of power below 5000 rpm and the tranny grinds in just about gear. Biggest mistake going from my 350z to that. finally working on getting into a 370z...

dont pay attention to jungle, he's just bitter that he didnt get the sport package lol

jburke26 · 06-23-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Does the 350Z/G35 Ring a bell?? Also its obvious you dont even know the next direction of this car as they are trying to fix the things i have the biggest issues with! Trying to make this car feel like less of a fat pig" we need a serious weight reduction" quoted by the head guys themselves... " We need better mpg"" i get 13 mpg in the city...

Who knows if theyre going to fix the horrible manual gearbox and rough coarse engine that needs to be revved the hell out of just to move.

Can someone please total his Z so he won't be on these forums bitching about how much he hates his car....

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-22-2013, 03:14 PM

I like the Q50... But my tastes don't match the forum except for the Z. And even that's questionable with all the self loathers on here.

DarkJak · 06-22-2013, 03:28 PM

I'd be disappointed if they keep the current 7AT instead of developing a cheaper DCT (the GT-R's trans alone would be half the price of a Z). An evolutionary improvement would be good enough though. Adding DI and better cooling for brakes and oil with a few more lbs of weight reduction in the front would probably be good enough to keep the Z in the game for a few more years as performance car.

cheshirecat · 06-23-2013, 02:09 PM

Nissan needs to move in a different direction with this vehicle. It's a good car, but not a *great* car. The potential is there but it seems like we need to wait another generation.

luigi90210 · 06-23-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Nissan needs to move in a different direction with this vehicle. It's a good car, but not a *great* car. The potential is there but it seems like we need to wait another generation.

I completely disagree, the 370z might not be the best straight line performer like a vette or a gt500 mustang, but it has more bite than most people here can handle. Around a road course(like streets of willow) the 370z can keep up with cars tons faster than it. Plus its faster than a E46 M3, imo that says alot about this car, sure its newer than the E46, but the E46 was a car that can get you in alot of trouble bone stock.

cheshirecat · 06-23-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210

I completely disagree, the 370z might not be the best straight line performer like a vette or a gt500 mustang, but it has more bite than most people here can handle. Around a road course(like streets of willow) the 370z can keep up with cars tons faster than it. Plus its faster than a E46 M3, imo that says alot about this car, sure its newer than the E46, but the E46 was a car that can get you in alot of trouble bone stock.

I understand what you're saying and I agree. It's a good car. I think it has the potential to be a great car. However, I feel that it's lacking in a few areas that can pull it into that corral.

As far as the track, that's fine- however, we all know that it's not a track car out of the box, so that may put a damper on the selling point.

I'd personally like to see the Z get into the same kind of league perception-wise as the FT86 platform. I think everyone can agree that Toyota knocked that chassis out of the park (for what it is, not a direct competitor). IMO, Nissan has the experience and imagination needed for that kind of car- just look at the GTR. However, I kinda feel like I'm wishing for lightning to strike twice.

Ah well, just gotta wait and see.

ped · 07-07-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat

I understand what you're saying and I agree. It's a good car. I think it has the potential to be a great car. However, I feel that it's lacking in a few areas that can pull it into that corral.

Try putting an HKS Hi-Power catback, a Stillen G3 CAI and an UpRev tune. The car is completely transformed and I love it more than ever...

SS_Firehawk · 06-23-2013, 07:05 PM

I test drove a 2010 RX-8 R3 a few years back. I had a blast. The R3 package was pretty legit, but like most, it really need more power. Mazda should have turbo'd that from the start. Especially since the gas mileage was already bad, what would it matter if it gets worse? Heck, it may have gotten better with the extra torque. Those seats... Felt like I was being hugged by a bear and I'm 5'6 150lbs. Got close to buying it, but I held out. The Z was the better choice. Thinking about it, I may have to replace my seats just to get that snug feeling again.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-24-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I test drove a 2010 RX-8 R3 a few years back. I had a blast. The R3 package was pretty legit, but like most, it really need more power. Mazda should have turbo'd that from the start. Especially since the gas mileage was already bad, what would it matter if it gets worse? Heck, it may have gotten better with the extra torque. Those seats... Felt like I was being hugged by a bear and I'm 5'6 150lbs. Got close to buying it, but I held out. The Z was the better choice. Thinking about it, I may have to replace my seats just to get that snug feeling again.

Mazda attempted it for 300hp but had to reneg the turbo cuz they would lose emissions on the turbo alone. That engine is worthless with today's CAFE standards.

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat

I understand what you're saying and I agree. It's a good car. I think it has the potential to be a great car. However, I feel that it's lacking in a few areas that can pull it into that corral.

As far as the track, that's fine- however, we all know that it's not a track car out of the box, so that may put a damper on the selling point.

I'd personally like to see the Z get into the same kind of league perception-wise as the FT86 platform. I think everyone can agree that Toyota knocked that chassis out of the park (for what it is, not a direct competitor). IMO, Nissan has the experience and imagination needed for that kind of car- just look at the GTR. However, I kinda feel like I'm wishing for lightning to strike twice.

Ah well, just gotta wait and see.

Nissan can make a philosophical competitor for the Fr-S in a silvia type vehicle. I think it's time for nissan to make a $27k RWD lightweight 2800lb 270hp turbo 2+2 coupe so i can daily it anyway.

Nissan Z can be a 370hp 3100lb car.

370ZeeZy · 06-24-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Mazda attempted it for 300hp but had to reneg the turbo cuz they would lose emissions on the turbo alone. That engine is worthless with today's CAFE standards.

Nissan can make a philosophical competitor for the Fr-S in a silvia type vehicle. I think it's time for nissan to make a $27k RWD lightweight 2800lb 270hp turbo 2+2 coupe so i can daily it anyway.

Nissan Z can be a 370hp 3100lb car.

VERY TRUE! I do think 370hp is a little high! That or dramatically increase its price but they would definitely be shooting themselves in the foot

....Theyd roughly be in the '13 cayman $$ bracket

!
But yea, ideally the silvia should be their entry (FR-S competitor), Z being mid range (competing with say the low end porches), then the GOD

being their top tier exotic killer!

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-24-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 370ZeeZy

VERY TRUE! I do think 370hp is a little high! That or dramatically increase its price but they would definitely be shooting themselves in the foot

....Theyd roughly be in the '13 cayman $$ bracket

!
But yea, ideally the silvia should be their entry (FR-S competitor), Z being mid range (competing with say the low end porches), then the GOD

being their top tier exotic killer!

With proper engineering, 100hp per litre is doable without being too costly. If we go Fi? Less of an issue.

370ZeeZy · 06-24-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

With proper engineering, 100hp per litre is doable without being too costly. If we go Fi? Less of an issue.

Yea, im not going to act like i have extensive knowledge on how many horses you can get per litre (Im no automotive aficionado) so i wont....BUT that would be great if they could figure that out

370Zsteve · 06-24-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Mazda attempted it for 300hp but had to reneg the turbo cuz they would lose emissions on the turbo alone. That engine is worthless with today's CAFE standards.

Nissan can make a philosophical competitor for the Fr-S in a silvia type vehicle. I think it's time for nissan to make a $27k RWD lightweight 2800lb 270hp turbo 2+2 coupe so i can daily it anyway.

Nissan Z can be a 370hp 3100lb car.

Renault/Nissan together have more than enough knowledge when it comes to turbocharging. But the question is, do they have the money to build yet another sports car? And ditch that 2+2 crap, remember the 280ZX, ugh.

06-22-2013, 03:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	I like the Q50... But my tastes don't match the forum except for the Z. And even that's questionable with all the self loathers on here. JARblue likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

06-22-2013, 03:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,391 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13448	I'd be disappointed if they keep the current 7AT instead of developing a cheaper DCT (the GT-R's trans alone would be half the price of a Z). An evolutionary improvement would be good enough though. Adding DI and better cooling for brakes and oil with a few more lbs of weight reduction in the front would probably be good enough to keep the Z in the game for a few more years as performance car. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

06-23-2013, 07:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	I test drove a 2010 RX-8 R3 a few years back. I had a blast. The R3 package was pretty legit, but like most, it really need more power. Mazda should have turbo'd that from the start. Especially since the gas mileage was already bad, what would it matter if it gets worse? Heck, it may have gotten better with the extra torque. Those seats... Felt like I was being hugged by a bear and I'm 5'6 150lbs. Got close to buying it, but I held out. The Z was the better choice. Thinking about it, I may have to replace my seats just to get that snug feeling again. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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cheshirecat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,428 Drives: N54 135i Rep Power: 292	Nissan needs to move in a different direction with this vehicle. It's a good car, but not a great car. The potential is there but it seems like we need to wait another generation.