Understeer Anyone?

m4a1mustang · 05-08-2013, 10:47 AM

I have absolutely no reservations about recommending the Super Sports. There isn't another tire I would want on a daily driven street car.

thompsontechs · 07-16-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Steering response is still very good (in my experience). It does seem a little more muted than tires like the RE050A and PZero, but it offers a lot more grip.

I think more often than not a lot of the criticism about the lack of response is more related to going from worn tires to full tread. You could go from a worn RE050A to a new RE050A and feel less responsive steering because you've now got full tread to squirm about.

Thread resurrect! I even put on some new bits and I was feeling like the car was pushing a bit, but when I looked at my entry speeds, they were equal too or better than what I was seeing with worn tires and what felt like a more neutral entry.

I think your hypothesis is right on here.

JT

kenchan · 07-16-2014, 07:54 PM

tirerack has shaving services

houkouonchi · 07-16-2014, 08:06 PM

Could change a lot with the alignment too.

I had my GT-R changed from the track camber setting to a more relaxed setting and it really changed the behavior of the car (a lot more so than the nissan GT-R tech was saying it would). The GT-R in its normal setting mostly gets understeer as well if you take a turn to fast but with the more 'street' instead of 'track' setting which was like -1 degree vs -2 degrees of camber the car would start get oversteer at the limit. I personally prefer getting understeer rather than over-steer as its easier to cope with (IMHO) and you potentially overshoot vs going into a spin.

That being said on my Z it seem to very a lot depending on the situation. I would say my Z was always more likely to get oversteer than understeer but I got a bit of both. Its probably changed based on alignment settings that I never really asked/cared about before I had my GT-R.

kenchan · 07-16-2014, 08:13 PM

i read GT-R and didnt see the rest...

thompsontechs · 07-17-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

i read GT-R and didnt see the rest...

Ya, he did comment on a 2 wheel at the end, but ya 2w 4w is apples and oranges or apples and a platypus.

lol

thompsontechs · 07-17-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

tirerack has shaving services

I didn't know that, not that I can afford to shave off rubber without a fun factor. I will shave them with the throttle.

kenchan · 07-17-2014, 11:41 AM

yah, i think people that compete use that service. i personally would consider it if i had a blow out on one of the rear tires that were like partially worn.

Mt Tam I am · 07-17-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, i think people that compete use that service. i personally would consider it if i had a blow out on one of the rear tires that were like partially worn.

Exactly.

edub370 · 07-17-2014, 03:20 PM

these cars understeer. crappy corner entry, quick corner exit. welcome to the z world

Drakonis GTR · 07-17-2014, 04:09 PM

I almost got the PSS for my Z. But I decided on the Pilot Sport A/S3s because of the better mileage warranty and the slightly better wet traction rating (In Florida, wet traction is pretty much everything), though the margin was pretty slim between them. That, and I got the A/S3s for a little bit less ($1160 installed).

I had noticed a small difference in steering, but had mainly chalked that up to switching from a run-flat to a normal tire. Wet traction is awesome on both tires though. Would highly recommend either one, as long as you are willing to part with the money that is.

Read T · 07-18-2014, 01:03 PM

I've found that my steering is pretty neutral and the car does great on the track. I think any car will understeer if you come into a corner to fast though...

05-08-2013, 10:47 AM	#31 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I have absolutely no reservations about recommending the Super Sports. There isn't another tire I would want on a daily driven street car. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

07-16-2014, 08:13 PM	#35 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	i read GT-R and didnt see the rest... madwi, Zteve and Supmar85 like this.

07-17-2014, 03:20 PM	#40 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 19	these cars understeer. crappy corner entry, quick corner exit. welcome to the z world __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

07-17-2014, 04:09 PM	#41 (permalink)
Drakonis GTR Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154 Drives: 09' 370Z B/S Rd M6 Rep Power: 12	I almost got the PSS for my Z. But I decided on the Pilot Sport A/S3s because of the better mileage warranty and the slightly better wet traction rating (In Florida, wet traction is pretty much everything), though the margin was pretty slim between them. That, and I got the A/S3s for a little bit less ($1160 installed). I had noticed a small difference in steering, but had mainly chalked that up to switching from a run-flat to a normal tire. Wet traction is awesome on both tires though. Would highly recommend either one, as long as you are willing to part with the money that is. __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Base w/ Sport Package F.I . LTHs with Non-Resonated Cat-back exhaust (C.F.) / Stillen Gen3 CAI / Up-Rev Tune

07-18-2014, 01:03 PM	#42 (permalink)
Read T A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,046 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z BC 6M Rep Power: 17	I've found that my steering is pretty neutral and the car does great on the track. I think any car will understeer if you come into a corner to fast though... __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z Black Cherry Sport Pkg - Daily Driver, , 1960 Morgan +4 fun car, 1986 BMW 325ES, 1998 M3 and 1996 Spec Miata - Race Cars SUPPORT TEAM WINSOME RACING - WRL, CHUMP, LEMONS

07-16-2014, 07:54 PM	#33 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	tirerack has shaving services

07-16-2014, 08:06 PM	#34 (permalink)
houkouonchi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ontario, California Posts: 440 Drives: '14 GT-R '10 M6 370z Rep Power: 14	Could change a lot with the alignment too. I had my GT-R changed from the track camber setting to a more relaxed setting and it really changed the behavior of the car (a lot more so than the nissan GT-R tech was saying it would). The GT-R in its normal setting mostly gets understeer as well if you take a turn to fast but with the more 'street' instead of 'track' setting which was like -1 degree vs -2 degrees of camber the car would start get oversteer at the limit. I personally prefer getting understeer rather than over-steer as its easier to cope with (IMHO) and you potentially overshoot vs going into a spin. That being said on my Z it seem to very a lot depending on the situation. I would say my Z was always more likely to get oversteer than understeer but I got a bit of both. Its probably changed based on alignment settings that I never really asked/cared about before I had my GT-R.

07-17-2014, 11:41 AM	#38 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	yah, i think people that compete use that service. i personally would consider it if i had a blow out on one of the rear tires that were like partially worn.

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