E46 M3 S54 makes 333hp vs 370z VHR @ 332hp :stirthepot:

i'll see myself out... :icon17:

in all seriousness though, maybe the 2013 3.8 Gen Coupe? iirc, I think it made 350hp at the crank.

pictures needed for your fist eating.

well he can get off on a technicality since the nismo makes 350hp too :p

Before someone makes the next Z hate thread , please delete your forum account and sell your Z. You don't need it.

Just for reference this is what the OP posted in his "hey bought a new z" thread.

"I absolutely need to get away from Mitsu and modding/racing in general. I spend wayyy too much time and money and am finally feeling like its time to "grow up". Priorities are changing and I need to buy a house. Driving an uncomfortable, modded car to work or out on a date isn't as enjoyable as it used to be either. The Z will stay stock for as long as possible. I have no intentions of voiding the warranty or getting in trouble. I am a man and will always have an itch for modding/racing, but the Z is a great car and I will enjoy it for what it is. (a daily driver)"

:iagree:

:icon18: Yep cuz when someone goes to purchase a new car they go "Hey show me all your daily drivers" and the Z is at the front of that list.....

348...:icon17:

To be fair, it's my DD too.

Though, it's also my only vehicle. :ugh2:

.....certainly better than a master of one.:rolleyes:

I am not saying you cant DD it. I currently do as well but hopefully for not much longer. You can't do any extensive mods with a daily driver. If it can't be done over a weekend then it doesnt get done. It is all about priorities. If you like a sportier ride instead of commuting in a sedan/truck/hybrid etc. Then the Z in stock form will get you from point A to B. But I wouldn't delegate this vehicle to a daily driver status only. By the same token a supercar can be a daily driver.

If only I were rich enough to DD a Huayra and have others for "the weekend". :yum: :icon17: :icon17:

Why did you buy a naturally aspirated car? And no the BRZ/FRS is not tuner by your definition. I havnt read all the posts, just first few pages, and I saw you said dyno figures dont mean **** pretty much. Yet hp figures seem to be all you care about..? Btw, a BRZ/FRS can't hold any hp above 300 at the crank unless you do some crazy expensive mods and fabrication. I am so annoyed with kids being so obsessed with hp figures.

When you say tuner friendly, do you just mean able to get huge gains from an ECU tune?

Very very true :). Glad you got the point. (and made it rhyme!)

:iagree:

i only read the first 4 pages......

biggest question OP is that since your so into the "tuner" world you must know research is very important. looks like you should have done more research about the Z before buying and wasting your money.

My only regret was reading this thread...

Half the price of my car, 2/3 the price of a stock Z.

Pretty Fin stupid if you ask me. You could go buy an EVO and spend much less money to have the same amount of fun.

I was just being honest. The Z has its flaws like every car. One of them is the stupid expensive aftermarket parts.

any time:tiphat:

I dont get why the story/justification is needed. Is there a need to validate one is grown up? or to in some way ask for permission from the community? Is the Z grown up, where as the Evo isnt? :confused:

It costs 14K to get 30hp with the 3.8L 991 S.
If you want cheap aftermarket gains, get a turbo, simple as that OP! I would've though you knew that!

I'm sorry to say but this is only the second best troll thread of the day. The guy who asked about the vdc off button topped this.

Here you go,
This is in the red (super advanced group, mostly it's instructors in this group)

See the names Chris, Len, and Martin:
http://westholdtiming.com/pdf_files/...89/Red%202.pdf



This is from this past saturday at Willow Springs International raceway.
Chris drives a ~stock 350(no turbo no supercharger) and Martin a nearly Stock 370. Neither guy has anything besides boltons, 2 ways/cambers, LSD, and RS3's/Nitos. Len has a heavily modified 350 (full race car basically). These guys are competing with every car imaginable: GT3's, Evo's, STI's, Z06's, Lotus, 911 turbos, decked out M3's, you name it. They are pulling times like that with no turbos, no tunes, just good tires and suspensions/LSD's. If you don't know willow these are professional driver times.

source: Track Records | Willow Springs International Raceway | Since 1953

So I ask you, what are you talking about? If you are asking the crowd if a 500 whp evo/sti will beat a 370z in the quarter mile then, yes the 370z is slow and no fun and sucks at racing. But on the track with someone that knows how to drive it's a damn fast car with a few minor upgrades <$5K.

Moreover, if the only one thing u care about is HP, I bet u will hate Lotus. They have less HP than Z but 0-60 in 4 secs. Or u can buy a Mustang or Camaro which claim that they have 400hp+ OEM. Forgive the Z for being a horrible, and unfriendly tuner :(

Ps. As I said break ur bank and drop it in mods for Z. Read some Japanese modification then u might be satisfy with this sexy catfish. U should not say its unfriendly because ur $1000 may not be worth as much as my $1000. This is user personal financial problem. Again, if u break ur bank, u can mod it as other cars that cheaper to mod.


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Again non enthusiatic people that buy a Z to complain about. People need to do the proper research.

Tune friendly, yes like any other car if you have the money. The BRZ will need a lot more than simple upgrades to touch the Z...

The Z stock is the best bang for the buck.

BTW, This car has enough power to get me in trouble.

First world problems :/

I think i understand what OP is saying. You have to go FI to reach 60+ gains with the 370z and with the DE, Rev up, and previous HR motors you didnt "have" to go FI to reach 60+ gains. I had a 2003 350z and on the 350z forum everyone wanted to see if the 350z with DE motor could reach 300 the wheels NA. it did. I believe Z1 reached 320 to the wheels and we would agree that 320 for the 370z is very good. 2007/08 HR 350z's have no problem reaching 320 with just bolt on's. Hand full of DE 350z motors have reach 350+ to he wheels with no nos!

*The 350z's are seeing good amout of TQ when goin FI. Sometimes more TQ then the 370z. Example sometimes a 350z would have higher TQ numbers then it'd HP numbers and i have yet to see a 370z do that. Just saying.

What it comes down to is how big is your wallet! It's not cheap to mod the Z. No one here has really gone above and beyond on a NA build. one guy has with JUN cams but he cant dyno the car for us to see gains. The 370z is tuned very good from the factory. For example the 350z had exhaust manitfolds. The 370z has headers. But The DE 350z did see alot more aftermart parts but maybe because they sold more.

The 370z Should reach 350+ NA to the wheels and it hasnt yet. I think thats what OP is trying to say. and he is blaming VVEL

Just the fact that you refer to them as "tuner" cars makes it hard to believe you've tuned any cars. :bs:

Best numbers I have seen is on Mike's build 342whp and 275tq on Z1's dyno. Pretty close to the 350+ you seek and on certain dynos you would get that reading. To get nearly around 75hp increase on just bolt ons is pretty impressive for a NA motor.

I don't think you know how to drive stick well. I have only driven the Z manual a few times and can get it launched out pretty fast.

Try Bondurant.:thumbsdown:

it's called 4K RPM clutch dump - that'll at least let em know you're serious, otherwise, why bother...

I do this every traffic light, leaving some Bridgestone rubber down to mark my territory.

I tend to do it on sidewalks more often because the tire marks show up better on lighter concrete than the darker asphalt and yes, pedestrians are sometimes a casualty of douchbaggery :ugh2:

:bowrofl::bowrofl:

:gtfo2: 'cause I can't stop laughing.

dang you guys are brutal. there doesnt seem to be much friendly conversation on the forums these days. guy wanted to start a discussion, lets not all flame him, keep it lighthearted and fun. :tiphat:

Actually I drive stick really well, let me know when Nissan can make anything shift as good as the Acura integra type r, prelude type sh, Honda s2000, e46m3, miata, rx8.

Worst 6mt in the business they should stick to automatics like my 4.0 frontier and your 7at z.

It's definitely not the worst MT, by a long shot.

I don't have any issues with my MT. Shifts like butter.

i might be a noob, but i'll semi agree with this. ive driven many 6MT's in my day (was a valet for a year) and the Z's 6MT definitely gave me some trouble in the beginning. hell, i still have issues with it sometimes if im not paying a good amount of attention

no that honor goes to the more recent honda civics, damn things grind into whatever gear you try and throw it in to and the reliability ratings on them show that fact. heck my 96 civic even though it is a pretty good cars leaves alot to be desired in the shifting department and is far from smooth shifting as "some people" go on and on about not to mention if you try and get an agressive start off the line on it, it squeals like a freaking pig even with a new clutch and clutch fluid but then again its more of a gas saving car so wasnt designed for aggressive driving, i cant complain about 42mpg highway thats for sure though lol

Mine only gave me trouble in the beginning, because the catch point was opposite of my previous car and it had that helper spring (which I removed).