Have you even tried to research this car or just upset you miss your turbo?
Look up Fast Intentions, GTM, Boosted Performance, AAM, Z1, etc.


1/4 mile:
http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...ack-times.html

Auto-X most members do not really post much on this forum. There are a good 5-7 Houston members who compete very highly in the local/regional Auto-X but never post here.

Track, spend some time in here: Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip - Nissan 370Z Forum
Have some great members like Sphon, Wstar, Mike, Travis, etc who are funding themselves & building great track cars. Most are N/A currently and pushing the limits of the chassis and a few are making the jump to boost finally. We will start seeing realistic limits of this car under heavy modifications.

Honestly it sounds like you miss the "big" gains from a factory turbo car, which honestly is going to be any factory turbo car. I see the new ecoboost (turbo) F150 by Ford & people throw on a new intake and pick up 30whp. With a N/A car it will require more work because the car is tuned out most of the way from factory, and honestly if you care so much about racing. Take the car stock to a track first, it will be completely different than any AWD car you have driven. Weight distribution, AWD v RWD, V6 N/A motor, learn to drive the car factory & then start to add mods where you need them to fulfill your racing needs.

The VVEL system will be the way modern cars go, it is early so there are some kinks (think direct injection) but having the ability to electronically control the intake cam is huge. Can easily just dial in your needs with a tune without having to swap out parts.

I miss boost, oh how I do, but I'm quite enjoying NA as well with the Z.

It's kind of like real boobs vs. plastic, paid for ones. Natural just feels... proper, but both are fun. :icon17:

My Z is very friendly to tuners. In fact, the Z has a date with one next week. I overheard their phone call, and she was very polite :icon17:

Mine hasn't quite been the proper wingman yet. :shakes head:

Dreamer, if what Ecutek is saying is true, i'll be the first in line to jump on their bandwagon. VVEL is a fantastic technology, but only when you can manipulate it. Otherwise we are just throwing boost out of the motor. Literally.

[QUOTE=JARblue;2278709]My Z is very friendly to tuners. In fact, the Z has a date with one next week. I overheard their phone call, and she was very polite :icon17:

Did he just like, Slap that ***... - Ludacris in Fast Five - YouTube :icon18:

I have a feeling it'll be a slap :icon17: She's gonna be the street driven Z guinea pig for the new ECUTEK software at a local tuner shop :tup:

Thought Z1 already cracked it.

How do you know that though? The VVEL system with a factory exhaust cam plus tuning the intake cam could be worthless. Looking at a lot, and I mean a lot, of boosted VQ37 motors and comparing them across the board to the VQ35 (DE to HR) we are seeing equal if not better gains when applying forced induction.
The VVEL system might create more power, but honestly it will be a larger expense, because you will need to incorporate an exhaust cam into the tuning mix to see true benefits.

Z1 is using Uprev which is currently in a pro tuner beta test phase.
And then if you believe ECUtek they claim Uprev is wrong with how they are tuning VVEL.

Is there any projections for HUGE gains with stock cams? Still kind of a moot point if you're not upgrading cams.

And I still don't see what he's complaining about.

IMO the only ones capable of truly understanding how the VVEL system works in the Z are the engineers who designed it. Everything else is just reverse engineering and a lot of guess work...trial and error.

From my understand, the exhaust cam is already quite aggressive with the Z. I'm sure it can be designed better as any OEM would never make anything too aggressive. But, full control over the intake cam should do wonders. Imagine being able to set your own profile, your own lift, your own duration with the flick of a mouse? Less overlap can already create more boosted power with gains for NA motors as well. Most of what VVEL does has to do with emissions. But, when we have control, that is the icing on the cake.

Also, with the recent exposure to osiris from ecutek, it is quite possible that we are leaving quite a bit on the table. DE and HR motors are making the same power with more boost. Imagine what our motors can do with that same amount. HP per PSI should dramatically increase.

Evo 9 guys shift the entire torque band to earlier in the rev range with no ill effects on the top end. And, this is with only controlling cam timing on the intake side. Imagine lift and duration as well.

Ok so potential for big stuff.

Z1 is already working on it.

What am I missing?

I completely agree op, worst 6mt in the business but I've already said that a bunch of times on here. I don't need to add on with my laundry list of issues

I am not too sure why you are even comparing the Evo/Sti to the Z? I had a mildly tuned IX and it put down 350whp. It doesn't matter what car it is, all turbo cars react different and better to mods, than any NA car will. Two toally different car types, and two different roads to modding ability.

I can shift this 6MT pretty quickly... dunno what the complaint is about there.

I can shift fast too, but I don't like clunky sounds and sloppy manual like this car. You basically have to have a perfect launch to no get smoked by a Toyota Camry v6.

Nissan should take notes from Honda on how to get a butter smooth stick shift

This problem cn be solved with the RJM clutch pedal.

you are comparing NA with Turbo cars. It is just like you are comparing Blonde to Asian. They are totally different phase. I think if you slam money high enough. You would enjoy it. or save up money and GT-R FTW :icon18:

It could certainly be smoother, but it's really not that bad.

No offense, but you'd have to be pretty terrible or new to a manual transmissions to get "smoked" by a Camry even with the Z's clunks and wirls. It's got some annoying sounds, but I've never had trouble shifting quickly once I got a feel for when to shift properly with this car. The 1-2 shift is tricky, but that's just about any car with a manual.

Regarding VVEL, it's not holding back the turbo cars, it's the supercharged cars with aftermarket exhausts and headers that are breathing too well. Watching boost ramp on on a 370Z is nearly the same instant gratification of a NA or twin screw. Turbo cams are starting to look more and more like NA ones. Blower cams on the other hand are much different. And just like everyone stated, turbo cars make more power from bolt ons period. Don't expect big numbers on a car pushing nearly 100hp per liter. The fact we can squeeze 50whp from bolt on mods is surprising. Pushing 500+whp on a stock block and maintain reliability... on a NA motor is impressive. I think BigT's arguments are shallow.

What about the rough coarse engine after 5k rpm, why is it so dam rough and linear. I know this car isn't a torque monster but the autos i drove have way more umphh on throttle response.

I don't think linear power delivery is necessarily a negative thing. Engine does sound scary past 5kRPM.

Yea, auto's are very easy to drive you should probably just make the switch and leave those tricky manuals to the pros. ;)

That went away with a proper exhaust mod. Throttle response is ECU related, not an engine problem. VVEL improves throttle response. I happen to like that the shift knob shakes, brings back memories of old school muscle

Plus you're comparing a 7speed to a 6speed with different gear ratios

If you drive an auto and stomp on gas, it automatically downshifts thus give you an illusion it gets more torque then a manual. It's all about the proper gears at proper speed. I tried an auto in manual mode and put it in higher gears and the car just doesn't go.:icon17:

Also keep in mind, auto has 7 gears instead of 6 gears. You gotta consider the gear ratio as well.:tiphat:

I dunno how your driving but no Camry would come close to me on a launch. Its all about controlling wheel spin.

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To keep it on topic, one point that makes this car not tuner friendly is the insane money necessary to do so.

I'm not sure why the OP says the Z is not "tuner friendly". My car picked up roughly 40 HP with 2 simple bolt-ons and a tune.

Define "insane".

Define 'money'.










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1. For saying you have experiance racing, you sure sound like someone who just cares about what HP numbers they can generate.

2. Go buy another Evo if they are so amazing.

3. And somehow I doubt its the biggest attention getter outside of a supercar.

I happen to like it too. I don't have the old school muscle memories, but I just feel more "with" my car. It feels raw. Doesn't affect my ability to shift or drive.

Im not quite sure why, but this thread has reminded me of a saying. "The Jack of all trades is a master of none."

find an NA 6 cyl under $70k on the market that makes more hp and i will eat my own fist...

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