WHY OEM INTAKES and FILTERS ARE BETTER
 

After Installing aftermarket intake systems on all my cars I have owned from 2008 350z HR, to 370z, and now my 2011 G37. From Injen to Stillen to K&N!

Nothing is going to give you that cleaning power of OEM filters with no lost of lowend!

I have been thinking hard about the OEM intake system and the design is perfect! it sucks cold air being rammed into it from when the car is moving and it never gets heat socked at 100F. The OEM filters are very well made and hold up to all dirt! I think most people who have switch over from OEM to aftermarket and they feel all this power and better throttle is because the filters are new! if you would to replace your OEM filters with new ones you feel the same way! Also because you are now having to press harder on the Gas to get the car going you think it feels better and pulls had!

Question?? why do you want your car to pull hard? that would mean you are having to floor the car more and eat more gas just to make more HP with a open filter then OEM?? right..

So I'm like why do I want my car to pull hard!! I don't! I want to use my foot and eas on the gas not harder to eat more gas to feel more power to think I am getting more power!

I know this has been said but OEM is the best! and also keeps your throttle body from getting dirty with oil and dirt from the aftermarket filters!

So if any HP is to be had with our cars it not from intakes it's from doing a highflow CBE! I bet my OEM intakes with new filters with CBE would make almost 300WHP with a tune!

For all the people who feel more power with Stillen G3 you are just leaning out your A/F and making your Eng run rich when you are above 6K RPM.

The HP numbers like 15/20 HP is when you are on a dyno you are running the car at almost Max eng speeds! and because the filter is open yes it will suck more air and your Eng will burn more air and gas!

If you could dyno the stock intake system with new filters going down the road at 40Mph because it's ram air design you would see more HP then the car is just running on a dyno!

So yes I'm going back to Stock! and never again will I invest money into a aftermarket intake! My money would go for high end CBE and tune!

Man I wish I cared about saving gas as much as you do.

you know april fools was yesterday? :ugh2:

Looking forward to the before/after dyno sheets... :ugh2:

dude, you just insulted brz/frs drivers everywhere :roflpuke2:

+ maxima drivers cause they think they bought 4 door SPORT CAR... while only marginally faster than my MT honda fit.

OOps... :rolleyes:


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When you’re in a car like this the last thing on your mind should be gas. Cold air intake is for high end. Air intake/short ram is for low end. With all this being said I’m going aftermarket intakes. If that was a pitch to have me stay stock. It sucked just as much as an intake at full throttle.

Most of the gains people "feel" are an illusion. Plus they are financially vested in seeing a result. In reality, the OEM manufacturer has put as much or more time researching the issue of airflow and its relation to HP/torque as the aftermarket producer, while balanced against the need for long-term engine protection, that OEM determination cannot be surpassed.

People aren't satisfied with enjoying and appreciating what they have. Instead, they constantly try to improve (in reality just make something different-ususally worse) and turn their cars into Frankensteins from Pep Boys. The market bears this out. No one ever wants to buy your worked on car. Actually, you get less for it. Why? Because it is no better, and is usually worse, than OEM.

err....not exactly. For one, a properly oiled filter shouldn't be gumming up your engine bay with oil. You could also go with a dry filter element. The Gen 3's and most CAI designs also relocate the filters ahead of the radiator support, which means there's no way oil & dirt is going to make it all the way from the filter to the engine block, unless your filters are complete garbage. The OEM intake, although a great design, is not a true ram air intake. The inlets are obstructed by the front bumper. When you do a dyno run, you also try to simulate airflow from the front with some fans blowing. There are benefits to keeping it stock, but it's not because of performance. You don't gain power with clean filters, you lose them with dirty ones, regardless of intake design. An intake can mess with the AF ratios....but then again, so can the exhaust system.

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Apparently you've never been to a real auto auction then...

Barrett-Jackson is a waste of time because they never make money back on their cars... :rolleyes:


That's why most people save their stock parts and revert the car back to stock after they decide to sell it. You're assuming the average car buyer is an idiot. While there are plenty to go around, the median driver is not so stupid to assume anyone will have the exact same taste as theirs. Plus you are overlooking the fact that a car is a depreciatory asset the day you drive it off the lot. Modded or not, no one ever expects to get dollar for dollar for their car when they sell it unless its just that good of a deal. :tiphat:

wow, lots of new philosulfers to stink up the place today... :ugh2:

It's the daily troll thread...

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I just modded my car with spacers and exhaust is on the way. Now I'm a clown. :( :mad:

Gonna go cry in the corner.

4/2 is April Trolls day? :confused:

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Why use filters anyways?

Daily, as in we have 1 a day.

Seriously. So restrictive.

sounds like another gsxr750 thread to me lol

F*ck it, I'm taking off the whole bumper. And I'm just not even going to have exhaust... I'll take the manifolds off.


That engines gonna have sh*t running through it faster than the burrito eating contest champ.

We could put a Stillen G3 on the GSXR... That'd be unique, right? No clown?

lol, no i meant the forum member by the name of gsxr750...he started a similar thread a while back...must be his retarded cousin that started this one

Talk about zero heat soak from the engine... :icon17:

True. It is a depreciating asset and time, not mods, are the main driver of the depreciation. And I will say that there are effective mods. For sure. Mods that increase performance (whatever that is- acceleration, handling, whatever) are readily available. But I question their value. Then again, if value is what you are after- then get a Honda CR-Z. I guess I was really debating the merits of stock versus modified cars for myself. To each his/her own. There are some cool mods out there.

What I am sure of-is that OEM wise- we are experiencing a golden age of automobiles. Look at the performance we get stock for the money. A stock $35k Z that will blow the doors off of 95% of cars made 10 years ago at any price.

fixed... :icon17:

So if I buy a car, it depreciates. Correct?

I mod it, it depreciates faster. Correct?

If I return it back to stock, prior to selling, does it magically regain that extra depreciation back? Because that's what you're alluding to... :ugh2:


If you want value on your return, you obviously get something more economical and mass produced. However most people that buy a Z fit into two categories. They want a Z and it is the epitome of fun for them, or they buy a Z because they can afford to buy it, enjoy it, and sell it to get their next fun car at their leisure. Modded or unmodded has nothing to do with either.

Of course it's going to smoke lots of 10 yr older cars... That's the nature of advancement. But whos to say the "new" developments 10 years ago in their prime didn't mean the golden age of automobiles, some would say the muscle car era was the peak due to the fact no one cared about emissions or restrictions. It was build a good looking car, put the biggest motor you could find in it, and melt tires. :driving:

:shakes head: Lol, not an insult, I know it's NOT a sports car, BUT, I've personally clocked a 0-60 in my 2009 Maxima of 5.5 seconds, and the 2013 does it in about 5.7-5.8 (it's fully loaded). A Honda Fit Sport is like 8.3 seconds, that's a huge difference.
And honestly, 5.7-5.8 isn't THAT bad for a 4 door car with 5 seats, Nav, Leather, Bose, heated and cooled seats, and a full glass roof (for under $35k)

^^ real world driving DE, real world driving. the MT fit does near 7sec with grippy tires and perfect launch. the oe tires suck on the car, thus 8sec. most maxima drivers are normal non car folks and dont know how to drive...yet they see a modded honda and pretent to know wat they're doing and want to 'show them' wat their 4door SPORTSCAR can do. but it's not that much faster in real world.

ive seen it too many times. they crack me up. :icon17:

it's weird how dealers and carmax offer me more if i put the car back to stock vs selling as-is with mods.

carmax even offered to give me the full stock-car price if i brought in the factory bits. so i did the next day and they kept their word. :D

same depreciated-faster car but just with stock bits. :icon17:

Basically a good driver in a 120hp car> crappy driver in 280 hp car :tup:

LOL, you must be smoking the same stuff as O.P

My 04 6spd Maxima while only low 14's @ 98 was pretty much all you needed for the street.

Also had sexy intake note to go with it (370 can't match that and for sure no Fit)

You sir, must stop dividing by zero, else heads are likely to asplode in this thread.

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:p

you see, you are the realworld folk that drives maximas with PRIDE!

4 DOOR SPORTS CAR!:icon17:

guys, thanks for the fun. :hello:

im heading out now. enjoy your day. :D

Already covered in my infamous ARE CAI REALLY WORTH IT thread.

Basically its up to the owner what and what they intend to do with the car.

The only real concern I found is that there some issues with MAS sensor problems , due to oil problems from, (oiled air filter) in some cases the dealer will blame the problem on the air filter and deny the claim. K/N will try and help resolve the problem, but I won't count on a CS person carrying much weight with another company.

The after market CAI will give you about 10 hp increase at 6500 rpm, but below that hp increase is barely noticeable.

So if you intend to track or drag your car or drive on the street in 1st and 2nd. gears all the time, then the after market CAI is the way to go.

Another note ! don't expect the tread to get past 4 pages with the censors.

Agreed, funny how most manual Z drivers on the street could probably barely match that time....Max is much much closer to Z in acceleration than a Fit at (8.2 sec to 60 @ 83.3 mph in 1/4 for the 5spd manual) can dream of being close to a Max. Cracks me up :)