OH. Well. This just got a lot less interesting. Must have been a thread prior to me owning my Z. :thumbsdown:

Exactly! We're onto something here!

I'm pretty sure you guys missed his point...he was referring to the regular drivers who all of a sudden think they are professional racers in a "sports' car. Kenchan is saying an experienced driver in a fit can basically take on one of these folks.

That may work on a track, but ask any racer, any real racer, weaving through traffic, or at a busy stoplight is where it's at. :rolleyes:

Well, now it's not stock for stock with grippy tires. But yeah, the Maxima isn't 100% tailored to sports car enthusiasts.
Although my '09 had a CAI (more like a WAI) and a car delete y-pipe (Maxima has 3). And the 2013 will have the same mods soon as well as probably a plenum spacer, and I already have a Stillen UD pulley for it.

The acceleration of the Maxima is as good as it is due to CVT, it allows you to stay on peak power all the time. But the biggest disadvantages weight, you can't dyno it properly, it can't take much more than 300HP, and I BET the loss to WHP is worse than on a regular AT

I like how fast this thread turned into a maxima vs fit discussion :D

Yuup, I know. Very verse on Maxima's as I am with Z's, have had several of each and like them both.

:tiphat:

I would add that this is the golden age of autos as we get the most stock performance for the buck at the greatest level of efficiency. Cars are better performing now, but I think are also at about the same price as 10 years ago (in constant dollars), while slightly more fuel effiecient. What seems to be happening now is that performance is staying the same while efficiency (MPG) is improving. Thats what seems to be the trend for the medium term. So the best time is now.

MPG is all BS. Sure cars will improve in terms of MPG. But what will be the result? People will just drive more effctively negating the lower pollution from efficiency gains (assuming gas prices remain constant). From an environmental perspective, high gas prices are good- people drive less and thus pollute less, and use less resources. But I'm rambling now.

Guys the point I am making is the stock intake system is very good! and all the money in the world with buying aftermarket CAI is not going to get your no more then 4-6WHP.

I bet you 80% of time people who buy aftermarket CAI end up putting them up for sale in a few months? why because they wake up and see they lost $500-600 on something that only looks good and gives more sound!

Unless you are tracking your car and running near 6500Rpm with CAI you would get more topend power.

But that's it!

we dont care! :mad: the point of this thread is maxima drivers think they drive SPORTSCAR. :icon17: :rofl2:

;) jk the stock intake is pretty good. good enough to be used on the amuse 350Z racecar when that gen had the dual intakes.

Nice right?

Whatever it takes to make this mundane job more interesting

At the end of the day, 90% of these threads turn into a "Who's got the bigger díck now?"
LOL

I've been through lots of cars and the usual 10hp bolt-on mods designed to empty my wallet but now that I'm older and having gone through all that, I'm proudly keeping my Z intakes bone stock but investing in Viagra instead.

OEM Filter fanboy???? thats a new one. glad i swung by to see this thread of non-sense :shakes head:

it just keeps getting worse :bowrofl:

this sounds more or less like someone who got sucked into buying a CAI and never takes their car above 60mph or revs hard.....or drives it like it was meant to be driven. go back to stock and quit bitchin bout it.

there's a complaining thread for that. go join the 4 girls in there and have at it.

that is all.

Every person except GTLAW (GSXR750 too) must be wrong. Somehow all the empirical evidence we have gathered is wrong too. We are all doomed. The minimum whp expected is 10whp on a modded car, and more as a first mod. The stock intakes are good, but CAI's will create more power, and more than the 4-6 you claim. We should just spam this thread with dyno results.

Bottom line is stock, second line is full exhaust, 3rd line is CAI and pulleys. Looks like my low end has dramatically improved as well. The dyno must be lying.

http://www.the370z.com/members/ss_fi...ust-intake.jpg

Is that avatar a pic of you? Obesity and high blood pressure are known to cause ED. :tiphat:

Hawk -So lets clarify your dyno chart.

Bottom line is bone stock. ?

Middle line is full exhaust. ?

Top line is full exhaust , aftermarket CAI and pulleys ?

If I am correct then where is your dyno chart showing the big HP gains with just a after market CAI , nothing else.

I would post more but don't want to cloud this topic with factual information. Has anyone performed a gage r&r on these Dyno's.? Please show me the design of experiments where you can isolate the "intake" variable

Too many opinions. Not enough data. Those that throw out Dyno plots should also understand their repeatability when discussing small gains.

Pay for it and I'll oblige. I can still guarantee gains much higher than 4-6. It's also well known that the more breather mods added, the more diminishing returns. Getting 16whp from an intakes and pulleys is impressive. Subtracting the 5-7 peak whp pulleys actually make is still far and above the stated claim. Let me remind you something I told someone else here. In this world, 1+1 is not 2. AEM, Stillen Akuma, and AAM have seen gains of 15-18whp on a stock vehicle. I suppose they are lying too. I'll be more than happy to pull their dynos for you.

I don't know why the OP is borderline being flamed because he is right...

At least when we are talking about only installing the intake. The intake can increase gas mileage in a car based on his explanation of how power re-distributes once the intake is installed.

But what OP is also failing to realize that anyone putting on an intake ONLY and thinks they improved the cars performance is dilusional and is feeling the euphorium placebo effect from buying something shiny on their car they can show off to their nut-hugging friends... You wont see any power gains till you are somewhere around 5200 rpm. Anything else, you are losing between 4 and 12rwhp.

So why do we install intakes? Intakes are there because they are part of a system. That system is a new intake, manifold, header, downpipe/HFC, and exhaust. when you make the complete mod and finalize it with a tune, you will see serious power gains. Between 50-80hp.

Most don't follow this method. Most add on an intake and exhaust. Forget about the rest and at best gain 20hp up high while losing 10 down low. The full mod is meant to be done in one giant modification to feel the true results of your breather mods and tune.

Is buying an intake over stock worth it??? Fvck NO!!!

Is buying intake, manifold, headers, downpipe/hfc, exhaust and a tune worth it.. FVCK YES.

Then there is another debate... Which intake companies design intake that will lose the least hp down low before gaining. This research would be very costly because it would take a well financed magazine to go throw every type of intake and dyno them.

What may be great engineered intake on one car may not work as well on another. Theoretical Example. Stillen may provide 18hp above 5200rpm on th Z but it may lose 12hp from 1000-4800rpm, while injen may only produce 15hp above 5200 rpm but injen may only lose 4hp between 1000-4800 rpm??? So which mod would be better?

I don't think anyone has tried to do direct dyno comparisons but it would be good to see the effect with equally modded cars.

Exactly. This inevitable response should have been on page 1.

My favorite is when people claim better fuel economy after an intake install...

what everyone fails to take into consideration though that while yes, the intake by itself may not provide big gains is the fact that not everyone can afford to plop down the 3 or 4 grand it would take to do all of the above that you mentioned so while it may not be worth it to some people to get just the intake, other people view it as a first step to a larger goal till they can afford the next piece of the puzzle so to speak. in any case this is just an opinion thread so there is no right answer when it comes to this topic, people are just going to do things the way they want/are able to do within their means.

Here are multiple results from multiple companies showing... well, results better than 4-6whp and more than just 6.5k+

Not letting me link MotoIQ, but google Moto IQ AEM intake results and they have a good write up.

http://www.aemintakes.com/dynocharts...-1002_dyno.pdf

http://motoiq.smugmug.com/photos/574714053_ZzCLB-M.jpg

http://motoiq.smugmug.com/photos/574714055_Vesj4-M.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/nismo-370z/66...installed.html

http://wwww.afepower.com/catalog/TA-...7PDYNO1600.jpg

http://blog.stillen.com/wp-content/g...yno_402852.jpg

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/ntnsracing_2252_617510672

So you refuse to answer a simple question useless someone pays you ! (WTF)

You can't explain your own dyno posting, makes no sense !!!

Also look at the most of the dyno charts you provide, pretty much the same baseline HP and Torque curve for most of the charts until 6500 RPM. Like I said how often are you are going be driving between 6500 and 7500 RPM.

The other charts you provide only show a better torque and hp curve when the exhaust is also changed.

what is there to explain? When the install happened, NST pulleys and AEM CAI's were installed at the same time. If you are so eager to figure it out, Call GTM and have them put my car back together. Seriously, what is it that you don't understand?

Oh might join the band wagon...Op I do agree with your statement the OEM is probably as good or better than any aftermarket intakes.
Did I feel any difference in performance? Certainly not...
Do I want to push my Z hard? Certainly Yes...That is why I bought a sports car.
Do I care about gas consumption on my Z? Hell NO... Gas is more cheaper than PROZAC or ZOLOFT!!!!
Do I care about performance numbers? Probably Yes and NO
Just like Firehawk have said Modding is not like 1+1=2, sometimes you even end up with Zero or negative.
But the beauty about modding your car is not entirely because of numbers or performance alone but its also a "Feel Good Commodity".

One good example is the Sports lightweight rays wheels. These are probably the BEST wheels out there in terms of performance both in the street or in the track but why people over here like me had to change wheels?
Its sad that these high performance wheels are only selling 1K at the forum ADs....It doesn't make sense right?
In fact I made my car even slower by having a 305 tire set up in the rears on my M10 wheels which is far heavier than the sport rays.

Did I stupidly spend my hard earned money in buying my K&N typhoon filters knowing the OEM filters works better at certain extent? I would say NO...As I enjoy every minute of it seeing it inside my engine bay. To me its a worth while investment because I am "HAPPY" with it.

Modding is an ADDICTION just like any sin.... Is buying a Rolex watch better than buying a Timex watch?....As far as I know both give me the same time...
I rest my case.

Fsckng lols. ^^^ this.

I read the thread title and just assumed wtf is gxsr going on about now.


Tapatalk2 ...

You sir, owe us all ice cream. This thread has reached greater than four pages.

I'll take some delicious chocolate and vanilla. Two scoops of each. :tup:

To op:

Why wear different clothes when it is far more efficient to have a something like a military uniform with pockets. Its long sleeve, covers your legs. Pretty good in every weather, and would save us billions in production (instead of designers/labels).

Why eat different food when we could all eat the same meal from one restaurant/provider. Costs in shipping and man power would be cut by billions. You would never have to ask your date "so where do you want to eat". Save costs and headaches, how great.

***Sarcasm aside, yes this is really how simple this is. We love it. That goes for mods in general.

*** To the Intake statements: Open all restricted airflow with breather mods and tune as previously stated. Sound, power, efficiency and butt dyno (the only thing that matters) dramatically improve

/close thread

I won't waste my breath, no one here cares about facts and engineering...

I just want my ice cream.



Though, the butt dyno is really what matters most (as said before, but I just like the term "butt dyno").

Give it enough time, our current administration will have us doing just that. :ugh2:

:icon18: :bowrofl:

Just ordered one. :cool:

Some people probably do it simply for the fact of getting a more "sporty" sound out of the intake since the factory intake is designed to be quiet.

Disagree, aftermarket intake ftw, stillen one of the first mods I did to the car, and one of the best. :driving:

I like this guy lol

Agreed. Close this thread of stupidity.

Andrew cough cough :rolleyes: