Auto 370Z...Is it Good?

need4speed · 07-23-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

I was sold on the 7AT at the outset. However, I SO miss my MT 240x that was JDM'd up. I drove my brother in law's S14 240 MT. Drove my buddy's Z06. Fell in love in MTs all again. My car will be a semi daily driver, and I probally will not enounter too much traffic. That said, I have switched back to wanting a MT.

This forum is goin downhill. People will argue opinions.
You can state a fact that u have read. Say where u read it and you are being told u r misinforming people.
Manual drivers mostly believe (at least on this forum) that if u buy an auto, you are a poser.
Its funny though cuz I luv nissans. And am both a nissan and mazda enthusiast.
But right now I'm bout to call a spade a spade.
I'm observing a lot of the nissan infiniti drivers on the road these days and, what I notice is...Just like most BMW OWNERS... many nissan owners can't drive for crap. Your driving skills show who's a poser n who isn't... I'll race any smack talkin fool in here anytime anyplace with a underdog car... if ur a bad driver ur Z can't help you. Unlike most sports cars today. Z's need real drivers. The computer is not controlling the steering wheel makin u look like a better driver than u really are as in most other cars. That's y the steering wheel is so heavy.
Most are starting To see nissan get its name up pretty high. Watchin fast & furious. So they wanna be those guys. They subscribe to import tuner learn wat they think is everything they need to know bout these cars. Hit mom n dad up for money and/or run up there credit cards. Mod the car the 1st month they get it. Not even allowing the car to run its 1500 mile course.then going to the track 2 or 3 times n now they think they are a foose/andretti hybrid. So now u left the track n raced a stang n the highway n think ur a hard rock on the road??? Wat a joke. Then they wanna talk down on the novice or the racer cuz they have a couple of pics of a car they modded n think that makes them an expert. I sold nissans for 2 years and I'm not an expert. But I know what nissan does right and wrong from customer response mixed with my experience with 3 different models.
No1 here's an expert on this car except for the designers and mechanics.
You may know about your experiences with this car but you don't know other peoples experiences, preferences, likes or dislikes. Just cuz it works for you doesn't mean it works for him. And just cuz a person asks a question doesn't mean he's stupid.
Sum1 may not like the auto but another might.
My opinion... the 7at is one of the best autos out there. And yes I've ONLY driven the Z a couple of times. But within moments of driving. I was able to get a great feel for it. It revs strong, shifts smooth, downshifts from high speeds are awesome, stops at the drop of a dime.
Drop n pop is awesome. (Downshift accelerations). The 5at in my altima is crazy wit it.
But this 7at takes it to the next level. Especially on downshift. Its precise n way fast.
Some think the gear ratios are too tight but I find them perfect for aggressive driving.
You can get the 6M if u prefer it. That's your choice.
But my opinion is the auto is a great tranny and worth the try. I would just recommend the test drive n c if its for you? The perk to the 7at is that its the fastest Z. N that's kool!

N no I never owned a porsche or a ferrari or a vette.
My first 2 cars were muscle cars. An 87 grand national n monte carlo of the same year.
I had a 240sx for a very short time. It was halfway modded when I sold it for a 93rx7.
My cousin a race car driver n mechanic helped me mod it.
He built me a fully customized 5speed semi automatic that shifted on the floor as well as a lil stick on the tree that looked like a small version of a window wiper control.
Twin turbocharged dropped fully adjustable suspension n a bunch of goodies.
I wasn't an expert in physically modding this car. But my cousin followed my vision and made me a 578hp car n I'm forever greatful too him.
I raced that car from tracks to highways. He fixed my car chronically cuz I was alwayz blowing something in the engine... lol But I learned skills in my rx7 that I would have never attained in my muscle cars. My auto was killin vettes on the road n track. That's what satisfied me. Not playing with a clutch.
But hey to each his own. Not knockin it either.
After that car I bought a couple of sports cars and drove a few as well... nothing compared.
Till now. This 370z is IMO the best import car since the RX 7. Neither of these cars are perfect by any means. But they have the right DNA for any true enthusiast. (Very few true ones here). Its no ferrari I guess? (Never drove one) but it does its job well, probably the best in its price range and I'm sure in either transmission you choose will be fun n satisfying.

Most hated cuz da truth hurtz!... lol

Robert_Nash · 07-23-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by need4speed

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Wow.

Everyone makes spelling errors and typing errors but really; you could be the the most intelligent human being who ever lived but no one will ever take you seriously with the kind of diatribe you wrote above.

gatorfast · 07-16-2009, 03:57 PM

One isnt really "better" than the other. Its all about personal preference. At the end of the day, an auto is still an auto and same with the manual. If you really like rowing through the gears then there is no substitute for a manual transmission. If you get sick of using a clutch on a daily basis then the auto is for you.

Trips · 07-16-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

One isnt really "better" than the other. Its all about personal preference. At the end of the day, an auto is still an auto and same with the manual. If you really like rowing through the gears then there is no substitute for a manual transmission. If you get sick of using a clutch on a daily basis then the auto is for you.

My sentiments exactly drive what makes your experience the best.

shabarivas · 07-16-2009, 06:02 PM

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

nicknick · 07-16-2009, 06:48 PM

Yeah, i currently drive an 06 prht MX5 6sp and love it but heavy stop/start traffic does get me annoyed, so when the time comes to purchase an auto will have to be test driven definitely. I guess having 2 manual cars might be too much as i would be holding onto the MX5. The Zed is such a great machine though and is untouchable here in Australia in terms of bang for your bucks.

tru_Asiatik · 07-16-2009, 08:46 PM

no offense but i dont get why ppl use the excuse that its a pain to drive manual in traffic
i live in LA where stop and go is normal on all the freeways especially the 405 and 101
im perfectly fine with my 6MT during stop and go even for hours and this is my first manual car....

mind you my last car was a celia gts with push button tiptronic on the wheel
and let me tell you i get more bored driving it in traffic since the car pretty much do all the driving

just my .02c

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

So even though I autocross mine with an AT I "arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt"? Are you the arbiter of what what qualities or what configuration of vehicle someone buys make "enough" of an enthusiast?

I call Bovine Scatology on that.

Go buy what makes you happy but no need to insult people who don't think precisely like you do.

wstar · 07-17-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

Oh right, I'm not enough of an enthusiast? How many miles have you put on your 6MT? How many hours have you spent in the garage working on it? Owning, modding, and driving this car has practically become a second part-time job for me.

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

no offense but i dont get why ppl use the excuse that its a pain to drive manual in traffic
i live in LA where stop and go is normal on all the freeways especially the 405 and 101
im perfectly fine with my 6MT during stop and go even for hours and this is my first manual car....

mind you my last car was a celia gts with push button tiptronic on the wheel
and let me tell you i get more bored driving it in traffic since the car pretty much do all the driving

just my .02c

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

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Originally Posted by ZSPEED

Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

Yeah, your salespeople are dumbasses. You don't get 30% less power with the 7AT, not even close to that. IIRC based on my numbers and Semtex's a while back when we had similar mod lists, we were about 5-7% apart in rwhp, and that doesn't even account for the fact that we don't know how the engine mfg variance issues affect our two cars, much less different dyno in different weather.

whoady4shoady · 07-17-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Oh right, I'm not enough of an enthusiast? How many miles have you put on your 6MT? How many hours have you spent in the garage working on it? Owning, modding, and driving this car has practically become a second part-time job for me.

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

Yeah, your salespeople are dumbasses. You don't get 30% less power with the 7AT, not even close to that. IIRC based on my numbers and Semtex's a while back when we had similar mod lists, we were about 5-7% apart in rwhp, and that doesn't even account for the fact that we don't know how the engine mfg variance issues affect our two cars, much less different dyno in different weather.

Direct hit to a nerve.............

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

Direct hit to a nerve.............

Hitting a "nerve"???

Maybe people just don't like being insulted.

tru_Asiatik · 07-17-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

sorry i didnt clarify the z is my first manual car i own been driving manual since i was 12(no age laws in the philippines-well at least back when i was a kid)
i love driving stick so i never get bored, traffic or no traffic
the only reason i have AT in the pass is because the cars ive had where eithier had me downs from my parents or it was a commnity car meaning i had to share with other people who didnt drive MT

so when i finally decided on the z(which is all mine lol) i said to myself MT or bust

anywho i am not saying you shouldnt get AT

the point i was trying to prove was get what you know you would enjoy
i know 10 yrs from now you would still not hear me complain about driving MT in traffic

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

...i know 10 yrs from now you would still not hear me complain about driving MT in traffic

Oh yeah?

Well if your crystal ball works that well then tell me what penny stocks I should buy today that will be the next IBM and Microsoft in ten years!!!

kannibul · 07-17-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

Sometimes it's a matter of what the dealer has in stock and will "wheel and deal" with, than have to pull something from another dealer (or order from Nissan) and won't give any sort of deal.

With something like a Mustang GT - it'd be easy enough to get what you want by telling the dealer to STFU and haul it in and wait a few days while they pull it from another dealer lot, and they might drop it off MSRP for you since they are a dime a dozen (relatively speaking)...

Modshack · 07-17-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

So now that we know you're a bigot, the question is, do you beat your wife too?

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gatorfast Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SoFla Posts: 120 Drives: Z4 M Coupe Rep Power: 290	One isnt really "better" than the other. Its all about personal preference. At the end of the day, an auto is still an auto and same with the manual. If you really like rowing through the gears then there is no substitute for a manual transmission. If you get sick of using a clutch on a daily basis then the auto is for you.

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shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 915	go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

07-16-2009, 06:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 17	Yeah, i currently drive an 06 prht MX5 6sp and love it but heavy stop/start traffic does get me annoyed, so when the time comes to purchase an auto will have to be test driven definitely. I guess having 2 manual cars might be too much as i would be holding onto the MX5. The Zed is such a great machine though and is untouchable here in Australia in terms of bang for your bucks.