If you get pulled over by a cop and he wants to inspect your car for LADAR equipment tell him no lock your car door do not open your window more than a sliver and tell him "I do not consent to any searches of my property".
Do not allow him to enter your car. It is illegal for any citizen to rifle through your car/stuff (police included) without a court order (search warrant)

Our constitution protects us from this kind of abuse and it is every citizens responsibility to uphold the constitution.

They don't have your speed, they don't have any legal right to search your car, and our constitution protects you from having to tell them what you have equipped on your vehicle.

Having said all that DO turn off your equipment quickly to avoid hassles.

Are most of you running this equipment where it isn't allowed or something? For all I care ill let it jam all day. If I got pulled over and he said I couldn't get your speed or it was delayed, I'd reply 'ya, that's cause I have a ZR4 laser shifter, good to know it's working... Even though I wasn't speeding ;)'

It's all totally legal to have and use here.

I think its more of the issue that the cop will then pull you over to be a **** and ticket you for everything possible. Mind you if your car is stock (no tint ect) then you're probably good to go. haha.

In my car every window is tinted on it (even the front) so the less I stick out the better.

Wouldn't dream of it!

Yeah, I hate those things. But it's not any one particular car that I was next to. I just wish I could turn the laser off the same way I can run with X band off.

:iagree: I don't even run with the jammers on because of the potential time it takes to turn it off. There's no "on/off" switch. You gotta go into the settings and push a bunch of buttons. I just have them set to passive detection.


Must be nice up there north of the border... :rolleyes:

Or if you have to have a chat with LEO's you can just turn off the whole unit... just saying.:stirthepot:

I prefer not getting pulled over than avoiding conversation. :icon08:

If ever pulled over, I am anything but rude to them. They are doing their job, that's all. So no need to be a dick to them. Plus it helps when you're nice.

I do

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Still we have a culture of ignoring the constitution.
When They ask you if you know why they pulled you over, they are encouraging you to forgo your fifth amendment right. Be polite sure but also politely demand they stop trying to crap on your Constitution.

When they ask if they can take a look inside your vehicle, they are asking your permission to violate your right against unreasonable search (and seizure) They can only do it if you let them. So don't. Politely tell them to pack sand and read their history. Fascism is only a few poor choices away for we Americans.

I hope you are never pulled over, but if you are, do not make it easy for the state to unlawfully take your property (an expensive ticket)... increasingly, the police are being used simply as a revenue raising agency and are not concerned with protecting the public or public safety. Especially in the poorly run and indebted state of Colorado. I do not envy them their job but even more I do not envy you having to put up with their state authorized unconstitutional bullshnizzle.

I served my country for 20 years as a USMC officer. in doing so I swore an oath to defend your constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. I hear and do not disagree that the LEOs are "just doing their job". Well they must do it without harassing the citizens who hired them and without violating the constitution of this once great country. If you do not respect your constitutional rights and the bloody sacrifices which bought them for you, the popos will not either.

It is up to we citizens to learn our history, read our constitution, and hold our out of control government agents from taking a big dump on our heritage.

I say man up defend your country against these DOMESTIC ENEMIES and try in every way you can to put an end to this unforunate era of increasing Fascism.

Siemper Fi, and remember what Plato said 2500 years ago. "Civic disobedience is every citizens civic responsibility"

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” MLK

“It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen.” aristotle

“If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law”
― Henry David Thoreau,

“We need in every bay and community a group of angelic troublemakers.”
― Bayard Rustin

Long live the Republic!
-Me.

Hold on there, I'm a veteran myself, (AF). I know full well what I've sworn, fought, and bled for.

I believe this country has lost sight of its values and rights too. But when an officer pulls you over, you Were in the wrong. Like it or not.

I know my history and my constitution, but at a routine traffic stop isn't the place to fight it. Yes, I understand laziness takes over and if you won't there, then where will you? But still... Fighting at a ticket only makes it worse for You. You resist, and then they use some other loophole to get you. Your resisting them to search the vehicle gives them suspicion there is a reason Why other than you just don't want a ticket. And with the systems they have nowadays, it can only take 15 minutes for them to get a search warrant signed by a judge. Then they search your car anyway...

:ugh2:

Thanks for your service. I believe we are in an uphill fight for our national identity.

I respectfully disagree.

In order to get a search warrant, an officer must, prepare an affidavit , setting forth all the evidence and knowledge they have of premises and the offense/violation of the law known (or suspected) to be occurring there. Present the affidavit to a judge or magistrate, swearing to the truthfulness of the information contained in it. The judge will peruse it to be certain that it contains all the requirements of the law, and then signs it. Upon the judge's signature, the affidavit becomes a warrant and may be served.

Most Cops are just working to serve up as many fund raising tickets as possible as quickly as possible.

If I am pulled over because their speed gun was wonky, that is not reasonable cause for a search, and they have no reason to legally search a vehicle. Also they do not have your speed (if you were speeding) therefore the cop has nothing and will have nothing if you:
1. decline to self incriminate (5th amendment)
2. do not give your permission for any unlawful search of your property.(4th)
3. Do not just piss away the rights and freedoms our founding fathers worked to guarantee you.

sincerely, I am not picking a fight, I'm just tired of we the people giving away our freedom due to our apathetic fear and ignorance.

Do what you want, for me, I choose liberty, freedom from oppression, and the ending of Fascist attitudes wherever they may occur. My apologies to any LEOs who take exception to me calling them tools of an increasingly unlawful and oppressive state. Most LEOs I talk to agree.

here are some great answers to the question "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

1. Yes. Because Colorado is in the middle of a budget crisis and you are a glorified tax collector.

2. Perhaps its because you find my car sexy and wanted a better look?

3. Because you are out of doughnuts and hope I will bribe you with some of my lunch to let me go.

Anyhow. I have 4 speed traps between my house and work. I see law abiding good people being pulled over and harassed all day every day. It makes me sick.

Radar, LADAR, speed cameras, aircraft, soon drones... Perhaps if they spent some of that money on non traffic patrols, actual crimes might be prevented.

Sincerely, I know you served in the AF and are therefore a fan of freedom, and the American way. I am just pointing out that what that dream is means something different to us than it did to our grandparents. they had backbone and would probably object to public officials overstepping their office.

That is all well and good sir, but what happens when he pulls you over, and you resist. And he says, wait just a minute. While he's doing all of this process, legal or not you're stuck there. You won't dare drive off saying he's got nothing on you. So fighting it, just makes it worse. :icon17:

The place to fight stupid tickets is in the courtroom.

I do not believe adhering to your rights is the same as "resisting" He can Process all he wants he has nothing on you as long as you do not admit to a crime or allow him access to your vehicle.

I do not think we are disagreeing here at all. I hold my officials accountable for upholding the law. Actually once you fail to self incriminate, the encounter is pretty much over and they will let you go.

If in doubt simply ask: "am I being detained?" unless they say yes and that you are under arrest, you are legally free to drive off without breaking the law in any way.

I obviously do not fear the law. I don't think any of us should. The burden of proof is on the officer, you are presumed innocent.

Anyhow good talk Chris, and you are right being polite makes most of this stuff a moot point.

To be clear, he can command you to turn off your vehicle ,and step out and you must do those things. (lock your car behind you, he has no right to look into it)

After that, unless he states that you are under arrest, and are being detained, you are free to go. He/(SHE) might harass and threaten you, but the burden of proof is still on him. These are accepted tactics in many places, and civil right attorneys get rich defending people against overreaching police agencies. I simply recommend that we all learn what is and is not acceptable police behavior and CALL THEIR BLUFF!

You live in Jersey. I live in Monroe Township about 10 miles away from North Brunswich :tup:

I have read reports that say people that run radar detectors are statistically safer drivers than the general population. So IMHO a cop that sees a radar detector should really just let you go and thank you for driving safely...

I sped before and after I got mine. I was alert too.

However I'm not sure if my RD now makes me more/less paranoid about cops. :icon17: Every time it goes off, even if it's one I know isn't a true ping, I still look around.

I'm definitely MORE aware. Faster for sure more aware for sure.

Safer? I never drive at unsafe speeds. The Z is safer at higher speed though... just saying.

Can we add a poll to this thread???

LEO's do not need to get your speed on any device to pull you over, and I would venture to say that 10 seconds with no reading is probable cause to suspect a jammer.

But the legality of the jammer is not the issue. It's the fact that these devices can be defeated. (Once the LEO understands what they are up against.)

When I was on radardetector.net, we had a LEO join the community and his first thread was about how silly we were for wasting our money on jammers that didn't work. In his mind none of them worked.

My response was "Thanks for the information officer".

But a few geniuses in the community took it upon themselves to meet up with him and do some testing. They were so happy when he had to "eat crow" and admit they worked.....

Then he started experimenting and before too long, he figured out how to spot, and defeat jammers. Then he trained his coworkers.

Now there is a section of Texas, where a jammer is useless all because some in the community had to convince LE that they were being beaten.


They have more money, more toys, and they get paid to do this with their time.

Once stealth is lost, we lose.

Oh, and unless you have some James Bond retractable setup, (That's prone to alignment issues) they don't need to enter the car to locate the jammers.

I put the Waze app on my iphone. Way cheaper and more reliable than the V1 I owned

So how did he defeat the jammers?

That particular incident prompted many in the community to break off and form a new one. (radardetectorforum.org) The primary focus of this forum is to help people use countermeasures without broadcasting info that LEO's may find useful.

There are three primary ways to defeat jammers.

After experimenting with many others in the countermeasure community, one of the weaknesses can be overcome with crazy installation methods and extra $$$ and the second weakness could only be overcome by companies that make the jammers, and the cost to consumers would probably tripple what they are now. (And do nothing about the first method)

Since there is no easy "fix" for the consumer, the only people who have anything to gain from spelling out the weak points are LEO's.


The third is to simply change gun programming/puls rates etc. But that is just a cat/mouse game between LIDAR makers and Jammer makers that keeps changing. -Not really a "weakness".



But trust me. We are not invincible.

It's best to "defeat" our adversary without them even knowing there has been a contest, much less that they just lost.


*edit* just saw you are in port charlotte.

We have an autocross this weekend in Ft Myers! You should come out.

http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/

Oh and by spelling them all out on here, the cops that read this forum daily will go out and implement all the changes immediately thus rendering all of our jammers useless, I get it.....





:driving: As I head back out to do 250km/h down Anthony Henday Drive.

Understood, thanks. I just wonder, in Florida where there are no front plates, if laser is effective. Also, I hear a lot that once you've picked up laser on your detector, it's game over but wouldn't a detector pick up some stray laser bouncing here and there thereby givingvyou some warning that laser is being used in the vicinity at least?

Think of laser as the cop using a laser pointer to get your speed. Now for a radar detector to pick it up that beam is going to have to be pretty close to the location of the head on the radar detector. But if it gets close enough the detector will go off, but like you said by then its to late.

Now think of a car infront of you and the cop shooting laser. The chances are very slim that any part of the beam will bounce off the car in the exact direction you need for your radar detector to pick it up. That beind said if the cop has bad aim or hits the car just right in front it is possible.

^This.

The V1 is by far the best at picking up "scatter" but even then, I would put your chances at getting a laser "save" under 5%.

V1 > escort

reason:
arrows from the 1980's
no cruising cars from behind triggering laser
reminds me of KITT

V1 < Escort

Only for the reason of the Escort to lock out signals. Mine stays quiet unless either a sign was moved (they use K band) or there is a cop around.

I do wish it had the arrows though.

It depends on application.

I run a 9500ix in my work van because of the GPS filter. The V1 in my Z for the arrows, response time, and ramp up. It's also a more snsitive on everything but 35.5...then it's close. In addition to the V1, I also run an STi-R in the Z for the best range possible on Ka.


Not to mention the stuff in the other two cars set up because my wife not only hates false alrts, but doesn't even want noise for real alerts. (Set her up with blink red lights between the tach/speedo.)

the hell, mitco. i said V1> Escort!! :mad:



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Look at the veil (a non reflective coating for plates) website for awesome links on how LADAR works.

With a good LADAR jammer (or veil) you can make it difficult for the LEO to get your speed so you will get a few seconds of laser alert before the cop has your speed. that means you have a few seconds to make any required adjustments. I can count on 10 seconds using 9500ix. (I usually turn it off though well before then)

...If you live in an area of active Wazers. I have a gold crown...and 90% of the traps I encounter are unreported because its mostly just me up there.

Here are my "countermeasures"
1.9500xi or ci depending on the car (with stealthy use and behaviors)

2.Waze app (works better during rush hour and increased traffic)

3. Area knowledge the LEOs have their favorite hiding spots and are essentially lazy and uncreative. (they have no need as revenues are very high regardless)

4.rabbits and preceding driver brake lights. (really one of the best measures there is unless the LEOs are really well hidden... they don't usually bother as it takes to much time away from harvesting citizens)

5.intuition (spider sense?)

6.luck (just saying)

7.knowledge and polite use the U.S. constitution. (I figure the government doesn't really seem to have any use for it, so I might as well get some mileage out of its dying moments...)

Radar Detector...who has one?
 

Lazer "shifters" proven reliable and effective 3 times this week in the revenue zones if my commute. I like that I get to decide what a safe speed is now and am no longer an abused part of a liberal a state's revenue stream. Thank you passport 9500!

The thread has moved on a bit, but wanted to add:

It's fine to protect your rights when being pulled over. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "I'm not sure, could you tell me?" or "Can I look inside your car?" "Sorry, officer, but I have to respectfully decline unless you have a warrant or stated probable cause. Not trying to be a ****, but just trying to make sure we both use the system in place."

That's a lot better than being a **** and spouting off about fundraising tickets and basically throwing attitude at a LEO just to make some point they probably agree with and don't have the power to change. If you want to cop an attitude, do so to lawmakers, not the LEO who probably pulled you over for a valid reason (even if it's menial like a light out).

I find it best to just avoid being put into those situations. They're trained to keep control of situations, and if you throw attitude at them, you're basically challenging their control of the situation. Not that either side *should* win, but that's the training. Unless a driver has had similar training/experience, they shouldn't be throwing the **** attitude.

Going off about philosophy and laws and ethics on ...traffic...rules, is (arguably) a waste of energy that could be spent battling other laws. And most of those quotes have to do with actual "wrong" laws and oppression, not just laws you find inconvenient.

The whole jammers vs LEO stuff is pretty familiar for any security/crime discussion. For instance, the same scenario holds true in information security where "black hat" criminals may inadvertantly make their tools harder to use because information is shared with the good guys who design better protections/detections, etc.

Ultimately, LEOs could just become interested in the subject on their own and be a member of the forum/community without divulging their day job. If they want to learn and beat your tactics, they can. At least this way you know they have progressed. :) Ultimately, you both will become better. At least until your countermeasures (on either side) become too costly.

IMO, the world becomes a bit safer and more advanced as things like that ratchet up.

You have to be careful with the "shifters" as some states allow radar detectors, but not Jammers/Shifters. If you tamper with police equipment, and they can ping you for it, technically you are obstructing the officers ability to enforce the law. Even if he wasn't going to pull you over before, now he can... even if you weren't speeding.

Just something to think about... I have the 9500ci and have the shifters off for that reason.

they turn off quickly with a double tap of the mute button,(once you are ready to have your speed read)

Really? Might look back into it then, I thought an "On/Off" switch had to be hard wired into them... :confused:

That's why I have a kill switch on my jammer ;)