The next gen Z!

JungleZ · 12-11-2012, 02:24 PM

Z needs to she'd some pounds , didn't the guy jay Leno visited say that was fur sure?

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Z needs to she'd some pounds , didn't the guy jay Leno visited say that was fur sure?

Yes, and I doubt we'll get lighter weight with an upgraded v6. I've read in a few other articles they want to bring the Z down to 3,000lbs. To have a v6 and that kind of weight would take porsche pricing.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yes, and I doubt we'll get lighter weight with an upgraded v6. I've read in a few other articles they want to bring the Z down to 3,000lbs. To have a v6 and that kind of weight would take porsche pricing.

I dont think so. i mean with some steel parts swapped for aluminum you could save some but then beings in safety issues. stock 370 weighs 3232lbs. 232 pounds could prorbably be shaved without costing ridiculous Porsche "over"-prices.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-11-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

I dont think so. i mean with some steel parts swapped for aluminum you could save some but then beings in safety issues. stock 370 weighs 3232lbs. 232 pounds could prorbably be shaved without costing ridiculous Porsche "over"-prices.

More aluminum and possibly more CF as well.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

More aluminum and possibly more CF as well.

hopefully more CF lol i still have every intention on switchin to a GT-R asap though lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

I dont think so. i mean with some steel parts swapped for aluminum you could save some but then beings in safety issues. stock 370 weighs 3232lbs. 232 pounds could prorbably be shaved without costing ridiculous Porsche "over"-prices.

With a V6 and safety equipment???? for 30k? I don't see it. The cost of alloys that are sports car worthy are high. As it stands right now we have a shytload of aluminum and carbon fiber. Remember, our cars are 92lbs lighter without the airbag system. Our seats, radio and motor are lightweight along with our radiator housing, driveshaft, and wheels. the only thing we can do is go all aluminum on the body which may shave another 80 lbs, make the airbags lighter, maybe 20 lbs? and make the engine smaller. 100 lbs. Thin out the interior and put an even lighter weight sound system. maybe 40 lbs? Go smaller wheels next time. 17 and 18 another 24 lbs?
Possible but how much will the car be with more of the expensive alloys and carbon fiber we already have without reducing engine size?

smaller chassis and engine, we can use more alloys while still using minumum alloys in cost.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

With a V6 and safety equipment???? for 30k? I don't see it. The cost of alloys that are sports car worthy are high. As it stands right now we have a shytload of aluminum and carbon fiber. Remember, our cars are 92lbs lighter without the airbag system. Our seats, radio and motor are lightweight along with our radiator housing, driveshaft, and wheels. the only thing we can do is go all aluminum on the body which may shave another 80 lbs, make the airbags lighter, maybe 70 lbs? and make the engine smaller. 100 lbs. Thin out the interior and put an even lighter weight sound system. maybe 40 lbs? Go smaller wheels next time. 17 and 18 another 24 lbs?
Possible but how much will the car be with more of the expensive alloys and carbon fiber we already have without reducing engine size?

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models

jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 (4.4 with optional 7 speed DCT) in the Cayman S with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

edub370 · 12-11-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models

jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 (4.4 with optional 7 speed DCT) in the Cayman S with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

Common dude. Are u comparing freakin quarter mile times to distinguish these two cars? Take a cayman around a corner, or evaluate how everything is put together on the 2 cars then maybe u will understand why they are "way too much".

DLSTR · 12-11-2012, 03:14 PM

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Common dude. Are u comparing freakin quarter mile times to distinguish these two cars? Take a cayman around a corner, or evaluate how everything is put together on the 2 cars then maybe u will understand why they are "way too much".

Well said. Driving is so much more than 0-60 etc. Try actually using the car, all 6 or 7 gears on roads that arent straight. The difference between European and US driving is readily apparent in a lack of obsession here with straight line speeds.

Brake performance and cornering matter sooooooooooooooooooo much more than just stomping the gas.

They are both good sports cars. Im happy with my Z and would be with a Cayman as well. If you have either life is good.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models

jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 in the Cayman R with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

I know what you mean, I mean 30k range, should have sid that. I think we'll see a drop in the base price of the next gen Z by $1000 from the 2014 model. Nissan always does that at the start of a new generation with the Z. But the upper prices are going to be higher than whats out i'm sure.

I'm not saying a lighter car will cost porsche prices. I'm saying that the v6 wont be able to make a 3000 lb car and thats the goal. To keep the V6 it would be too costly. Corvette is a 3100lb v8, look at its pricing. with a discount it starts @ 44k, without 50k. Nissan doesn't discount Z pricing and they will not be giving us corvette,cayman chassis designs for half off. lol Thats all I'm saying. Maybe hyundai can though?

They're the kings of discount performance.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I know what you mean, I mean 30k range, should have sid that. I think we'll see a drop in the base price of the next gen Z by $1000 from the 2014 model. Nissan always does that at the start of a new generation with the Z. But the upper prices are going to be higher than whats out i'm sure.

I'm not saying a lighter car will cost porsche prices. I'm saying that the v6 wont be able to make a 3000 lb car and thats the goal. To keep the V6 it would be too costly. Corvette is a 3100lb v8, look at its pricing. with a discount it starts @ 44k, without 50k. Nissan doesn't discount Z pricing and they will not be giving us corvette,cayman chassis designs for half off. lol Thats all I'm saying. Maybe hyundai can though?

They're the kings of discount performance.

hence why hyundai's performance is far less lol you ever race a genesis coupe? it's a joke

also you can get discounts you just gotta know the right people....trust me.

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JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	Z needs to she'd some pounds , didn't the guy jay Leno visited say that was fur sure?