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RoshDawg 12-20-2012 05:57 PM

I wonder if there will be a Nismo rs model on top of the Nismo model. I remember hearing something about doing more with the Nismo brand.

b1adesofcha0s 12-20-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 2069996)
Well what i was meant is why would it go to competing with cars that are worse. .makes no sense

Also Imo They dont need to necessarily boost sales on the z. It's a niche car bought mostly by enthusiasts and young professionals. Nissan already has huge volume cars like altima maxima sentra versa rogue murano etc.

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I don't agree with it either, but making/selling cars is a business so it's all about making money. The Z is no longer Nissan's global halo car, they have the GT-R for that. More sales = more money. The Z is all about being an affordable sports car and dropping it down to compete with the BRZ would fit that model. I think they'd probably keep the car's overall performance the same as it is now, but with a turbo 4. I can see the Z being a more upscale version of the BRZ.

SS_Firehawk 12-20-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kmkraft12 (Post 2070417)
The market has changed since the 370z was first announced. It isn't that Nissan wants to bring its car to the level of the others, it is that people are looking for gas efficient cars that are still fun to drive. That's the market that is prospering at the time.

I disagree. I think the FRS/BRZ is filling a niche market just as the Z is. They came at a time when it was at least a decade before something similar was on the market. They will sell well until the market has had it's fill. Things will slow down. It's the same thing that happened with the 350Z. If Nissan does market a 4 cylinder turbo with the Z, it will more than likely target a position closer to the Genesis Coupe 2.0T. Yet I still see a V6 model in the lineup. They already have the motor, they will need an updated V6 for their Infiniti lineup. The more vehicles the engine is in, the easier to subsidize the engineering costs. Idk

I'm happy I bought mine when I did. 3200lbs is still light, and the VQ37VHR responds better to modifications than any N/A V6 I've ever seen. The Ford & Chevy guys are happy to make 380-425whp with turbo's and SC's. Here we are pushing 550 without engine work.

b1adesofcha0s 12-20-2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2070639)
I disagree. I think the FRS/BRZ is filling a niche market just as the Z is. They came at a time when it was at least a decade before something similar was on the market. They will sell well until the market has had it's fill. Things will slow down. It's the same thing that happened with the 350Z. If Nissan does market a 4 cylinder turbo with the Z, it will more than likely target a position closer to the Genesis Coupe 2.0T. Yet I still see a V6 model in the lineup. They already have the motor, they will need an updated V6 for their Infiniti lineup. The more vehicles the engine is in, the easier to subsidize the engineering costs. Idk

I'm happy I bought mine when I did. 3200lbs is still light, and the VQ37VHR responds better to modifications than any N/A V6 I've ever seen. The Ford & Chevy guys are happy to make 380-425whp with turbo's and SC's. Here we are pushing 550 without engine work.

Well their V8 versions offer more HP/$ than the Z. The 5.0 is definitely a better performance bargain and has more mod potential.

Red__Zed 12-21-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2070639)

I'm happy I bought mine when I did. 3200lbs is still light, and the VQ37VHR responds better to modifications than any N/A V6 I've ever seen. The Ford & Chevy guys are happy to make 380-425whp with turbo's and SC's. Here we are pushing 550 without engine work.

3200 pounds is pretty light. Would be great if Nissan could get the Z down there...would probably make it a lot more competitive, especially if they got some of the weight off the nose.

Red__Zed 12-21-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2070653)
Well their V8 versions offer more HP/$ than the Z. The 5.0 is definitely a better performance bargain and has more mod potential.

the V6 mustangs are pretty comfortably into the 10s already with superchargers+drag radials

b1adesofcha0s 12-21-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2071280)
the V6 mustangs are pretty comfortably into the 10s already with superchargers+drag radials

5.0 or :gtfo2: :p

luigi90210 12-21-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2054615)
a turbo 4 will not be adequate. Nissan doesn't have a turbo 4 in their stable large enough to pull duty. Realistically, I see a direct injected V6 continuing to use VVEL, possibly growing to 3.8L. I wouldn't be surprised if we see 100hp per liter. I do see a move from a steel frame to an aluminum which will drop at least 100lbs, most likely more. Moving to aluminum across their entire lineup sharing the same front midship platform will assist in keeping costs down. It will also increase their fuel economy as standards rise.

clearly you havent seen a properly modified evo, eclipse gsx, silvia(or 240sx with sr20det swap)

heck a $20 bleed valve on an evo will put it up with a stock Z easily

Supergoji 12-26-2012 03:47 AM

Small displacement high revving 6 cyl with cyl deac and DCT trans will get the job done.
Nissan take a page or a few volumes out of porsche's collection..

SS_Firehawk 12-26-2012 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2071558)
clearly you havent seen a properly modified evo, eclipse gsx, silvia(or 240sx with sr20det swap)

heck a $20 bleed valve on an evo will put it up with a stock Z easily

I obviously have or I wouldn't have made my argument. Your comparing a modified car to a proposed factory car. So tell me again at what rpm the turbo begins to spin? The rest of the world does not want to wait for power, when the gas is pressed, they want the desired results now, not in a few seconds.

CDepp 12-26-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2077224)
I obviously have or I wouldn't have made my argument. Your comparing a modified car to a proposed factory car. So tell me again at what rpm the turbo begins to spin? The rest of the world does not want to wait for power, when the gas is pressed, they want the desired results now, not in a few seconds.

INSTANT GRATIFICATION!!!!!!
:tup:

UNKNOWN_370 12-26-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2071279)
3200 pounds is pretty light. Would be great if Nissan could get the Z down there...would probably make it a lot more competitive, especially if they got some of the weight off the nose.

Yeah, this would be more important than the actual amount of weight lost. 3000 lbs would be nice, but if we were 3150lbs with a smaller engine, slightly longer nose and the engine pushed all the way back? That would definitely work. The VQ37 is far back in the Z but the engine is kinda big for the space under the hood.

Somberlaine 12-27-2012 08:45 AM

a potential Z engine?

A new 550+-horsepower Infiniti flagship sedan is in the pipeline, confirmed Infiniti boss Johan de Nysschen in an open letter to Infiniti owners on Wednesday.
He said the new performance sedan will get a "potent charged induction V6."
The new Infiniti flagship sedan is expected to target the Jaguar XF.

New 550+-Horsepower Infiniti Flagship Sedan in the Works

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Somberlaine (Post 2079069)
a potential Z engine?

A new 550+-horsepower Infiniti flagship sedan is in the pipeline, confirmed Infiniti boss Johan de Nysschen in an open letter to Infiniti owners on Wednesday.
He said the new performance sedan will get a "potent charged induction V6."
The new Infiniti flagship sedan is expected to target the Jaguar XF.

New 550+-Horsepower Infiniti Flagship Sedan in the Works

I highly doubt it. They're not going to give the Z as much power as a GT-R. Maybe they'll give the Z just the N/A version of that engine.

Spikuh 12-27-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2079079)
I highly doubt it. They're not going to give the Z as much power as a GT-R. Maybe they'll give the Z just the N/A version of that engine.

:iagree:

The GT-R is at what, 585 or so I think? Throwing a 550hp engine into the Z, which is already considerably lighter and the next model "should" be lighter still, is going to make it more or less on the same level as the GT-R. Granted the GT-R has launch control so it would get the initial jump; once the Z got full traction, I imagine it would walk the GT-R from that point.

On top of that, the Z has been following the G line, so look there for clues.

Somberlaine 12-27-2012 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2079079)
I highly doubt it. They're not going to give the Z as much power as a GT-R. Maybe they'll give the Z just the N/A version of that engine.

I didn't think so either but some variation of this same "potent charged induction V6."

cavemancan 12-27-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2077224)
I obviously have or I wouldn't have made my argument. Your comparing a modified car to a proposed factory car. So tell me again at what rpm the turbo begins to spin? The rest of the world does not want to wait for power, when the gas is pressed, they want the desired results now, not in a few seconds.

Your right with the exception that a properly sized turbo will have little to no lag dude. Especially those twin scroll units. Granted most factory cars are not so equiped but some are.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2070653)
Well their V8 versions offer more HP/$ than the Z. The 5.0 is definitely a better performance bargain and has more mod potential.



HP/$ does not equal Performance/$ sorry...Ford has proven that by building a strait line performer not an all around sports car. I am talking about handling in case I'm not implying it.

Please do not mention the Boss 302 as it is not in the price point of the Z and therefore irrelevant.

Spikuh 12-27-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2079264)
Your right with the exception that a properly sized turbo will have little to no lag dude. Especially those twin scroll units. Granted most factory cars are not so equiped but some are.





HP/$ does not equal Performance/$ sorry...Ford has proven that by building a strait line performer not an all around sports car. I am talking about handling in case I'm not implying it.

Please do not mention the Boss 302 as it is not in the price point of the Z and therefore irrelevant.

Trollololololo? :icon14:

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2079264)
Your right with the exception that a properly sized turbo will have little to no lag dude. Especially those twin scroll units. Granted most factory cars are not so equiped but some are.





HP/$ does not equal Performance/$ sorry...Ford has proven that by building a strait line performer not an all around sports car. I am talking about handling in case I'm not implying it.

Please do not mention the Boss 302 as it is not in the price point of the Z and therefore irrelevant.

The 5.0 does give more Performance/$ than the Z as well and that includes around a road course. Have you looked at prices for a Boss 302? You can get a Boss 302 for around the same price as a Nismo 370Z so it is definitely relevant.

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 11:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

Spikuh 12-27-2012 11:40 AM

Blades, stop padding your post count with proof!!! I WILL tell the Aventadors you are cheating on them with a Ford... :p

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 2079483)
Blades, stop padding your post count with proof!!! I WILL tell the Aventadors you are cheating on them with a Ford... :p

I would never cheat on Aventadors! How dare you say such things sir, that is blasphemy!

shadoquad 12-27-2012 11:41 AM

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Please do not mention the Boss 302 as it is not in the price point of the Z and therefore irrelevant.

:iagree:

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1356630074

Red__Zed 12-27-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2079264)



HP/$ does not equal Performance/$ sorry...Ford has proven that by building a strait line performer not an all around sports car. I am talking about handling in case I'm not implying it.

Please do not mention the Boss 302 as it is not in the price point of the Z and therefore irrelevant.



I am curious what your information is based on...please enlighten us.



Not to mention...Boss 302:


Boss 302 2dr Car
6-speed Manual
$38,930 invoice



370Z...you can tack another $3k on these price, as they DO NOT include the sport package

Base 2dr Car

6-speed Manual
$31,026
$33,120
Base 2dr Car

3.7L V6
RWD

7-speed Automatic
$32,242
$34,420
Touring 2dr Car

3.7L V6
RWD

6-speed Manual
$35,027
$37,820
Touring 2dr Car

3.7L V6
RWD

7-speed Automatic
$36,229
$39,120
NISMO 2dr Car

3.7L V6
RWD

6-speed Manual
$40,182
$43,020



Oops...hell, the getting Touring or the Nismo costs MORE!:ugh2:

shadoquad 12-27-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2079490)
370Z...you can tack another $3k on these price, as they DO NOT include the sport package

You don't need sports package. Much like wider tires on an FRS, it takes away from it being a "driver's car" and in reference to the Mustang, "better balance".

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 11:46 AM

I just went and compared what these cars are actually listed for on Cars.com. Brand new 2013 both start around $40k.

Red__Zed 12-27-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2079494)
You don't need sports package. Much like wider tires on an FRS, it takes away from it being a "driver's car" and in reference to the Mustang, "better balance".

I plan to swap my tires for something narrower today!

m4a1mustang 12-27-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2079264)
Ford has proven that by building a strait line performer not an all around sports car. I am talking about handling in case I'm not implying it.

wat

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2079503)
I plan to swap my tires for something narrower today!

Just drive around on the rotors. A lot less weight and much more direct braking feel :bowrofl:

Spikuh 12-27-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2079535)
Just drive around on the rotors. A lot less weight and much more direct braking feel :bowrofl:

If you want a car to handle well, it needs to be on these:

http://www.xltphoto.net/blogimages/train_wheel.jpg

Absolutely zero over/understeer and you will never miss an apex.

JungleZ 12-27-2012 12:37 PM

I would love the next gen mustang except their owners are douchebags just driving around trying to drag race people...

m4a1mustang 12-27-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2079602)
I would love the next gen mustang except their owners are douchebags just driving around trying to drag race people...

:bowrofl:

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang, circa 2009, paraphrased
When I had my old Mustang GT I used to think all 350Z drivers were douchebags; now that I have my 370 I think all Mustang GT drivers are douchebags. So it just goes to show you that no matter who you are, somebody out there thinks you're a douche.


JungleZ 12-27-2012 12:44 PM

Sorry man pretty sure most people out here in Southern California know that's what mustang owners do.. Therefore alot of people wouldn't be caught dead in a ford mustang yet even buy one, therefore nobody cares about the 500hp and loud engine noises when you're at a stoplight.

m4a1mustang 12-27-2012 12:44 PM

Ok chief. :tup: :p

JungleZ 12-27-2012 12:49 PM

My dad drove a Shelby gt500 didn't care how fast it was he couldn't spend that much money on an ugly ford product. Now he wants the new vette,m6, even a cts v

m4a1mustang 12-27-2012 12:57 PM

"To each his own." :)

shadoquad 12-27-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2079623)
Sorry man pretty sure most people out here in Southern California know that's what mustang owners do.. Therefore alot of people wouldn't be caught dead in a ford mustang yet even buy one, therefore nobody cares about the 500hp and loud engine noises when you're at a stoplight.

lol not everyone is SoCal LoCal

JungleZ 12-27-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2079660)
"To each his own." :)

True that and ya the nismo is way overpriced boss 302,used c6 all day before 41k for a z..

shadoquad 12-27-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2079667)
True that and ya the nismo is way overpriced boss 302,used c6 all day before 41k for a z..

I like the Nismo, but I'd have trouble passing on a used C6 Z06 for the same money, too.

b1adesofcha0s 12-27-2012 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2079671)
I like the Nismo, but I'd have trouble passing on a used C6 Z06 for the same money, too.

:iagree:


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