A sport 370 Z and a Nismo have almost zero differences on a track. The Nismo edition is just another way for Nissan to squeeze our pockets so it is not the fair price point. Rather the 370 z Sport at $34k should be the fair price point therefore the Boss is much more expensive.

Now I do think you made a valid point. Did not know the 2011 Mustangs improved there suspension to the point its at now. So I take back my comment with one exception:

- That is the best solid axel Ive ever seen BUT still a poor design. An uneducated guess would be that the 2011 Mustang prob wont get any better with that axel. And I still dont like the way they look.

The Boss 302 package is a performance package is it not? One that clearly works and makes the mustang much faster.

The Nismo package does nothing more then make it pretty. Touring adds some bells and whisltes but thats it. The Sports package is the only relevant package at what $34k. So $34k 370z compared to a $40k Mustang is not a fair compareson. You can add a butt load of after market for that price difference.

Either way I resinded my comment concerning the newer mustangs with exception.

1) Regardless of whether or not the Nismo is fairly priced, it's still within the range of the Boss. If not a Nismo, you can take a look at a Sport/Touring/Nav Z and it will be pretty close to $40k as well.

2) Solid axle might not be the best suspension design, but they found a way to make it work and that's all that matters. It's going away with the next gen Mustang and the looks are supposed to be more modern as well. The next gen 5.0 is currently #1 on my list of potential next cars. C7 could be an option as well. Nissan would have to do some major performance upgrades for me to consider getting another Z again, especially with the way it's price has been creeping up year after year with no real improvements.

The Nismo comes with 18 HP more than the base or sport pkg Z and a slightly different suspension. How is this not a performance package? Prices are the same either way, doesn't matter if they are actually worth it or not. The Nismo (Nissan Motorsports) is considered the performance model of the 370Z, just like the Boss is considered the performance model of the Mustang (in addition to the GT500, but that's a different story).

It is not...Sport model MSRP is $36,900 and Boss is $42,200. Thats still over $5k difference.

Because 18 more HP and suspension components did nothing for it's track times as compared to a base Sport model.

All I'm hearing from you is "it's not a fair comparison because Ford's performance package was effective and Nissan's wasn't." :p

HAHAHAHA :bowrofl:

Shut it! :p

The only thing Ford makes that I would buy is the Ford GT! Now that is Epic! Chasis doesn't look big and fat...Interior is just plain awesome...Low and Mean!

Ironically the Z took a while to grow on me. I thought it looked fat as well when I first saw it. I thought the body style was nice but just seemed like it needed to go on a diet. If they can make a compact/light weight 6 or 8 and still reduce the weight of the Z in other areas I think we have a winner.

since when? the Boss makes 444hp, and the 5.0 makes 420.


That's less than 5% over the base model...the Nismo is more than a 5% kick in HP:tup:

is the 5.0 somehow not a 'standard' model?

Lol sorry man, it was just a really slow day at work today :p

It's certainly marketed as a performance package over just a looks package. It's a functional body kit, not for looks.

I think he's comparing it to the V6 Mustang.

The body kit on the Nismo creates more downforce, wider tires slightly improve the grip. Tighter spring ratio make the car more stable in turns. While the Nismo performance upgrade doesn't change performance numbers. It creates a better more racy driving experience... Yes its true that about 1800 in mods can give u the same performance as a sport. Track times don't even need the Nismo pkg. But you will be putting more effort to be track stable.

The stang Boss302... you know nothing about that car. With the 2013 GT packages you can make a Boss without the Boss Body. The Nismo and the stang don't qualify on the same track if we're looking for proper matches. I wish people would stop comparing Z's and Stangs... And if you want to compare the two? Sadly, the V6 is the Z competitor. Which its still not in the same league.


Lastly... wasn't this a BRZ thread? This thread has become garbage due to wick wack posting.

This was a next gen Z thread. The 5.0 Mustang is a competitor to the Z as a performance car in the same price range, so I think it's a fair discussion and comparison.

good to know the Z can win against a car that costs half as much, since that is how we define "competitors"



no, I'm pretty sure it never was a BRZ thread.

Not quite. The Z has no competitor in its class. But if we are going to get technical. The Z is a 3.7 liter V6 with a starting pricepoint of $33k. The V6 mustang is also a 3.7, also in the 300hp range. Weighs about 150lbs more than the Z and is RWD.
The v8 mustang is in the 400hp range,, is about 200lbs heavier and meets the criteria of a whole different segment.
Its not Nissans fault that no one else has built a class leading v6 in power except BMW AND PORSCHE. Which the Z kind of competes with those from a technical standpoint.

You can argue price all day long... But at the end of the day, true competitors share technical comparisons. Its ego that will pin a Z against a 5.0. Doesn't make sense.... they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Personal preference of sports car type is a whole different argument. If you want to say... for 35k i'd rather have a 4 seat muscle car over a 2 seat sports car. That's a whole other story. Price competition and being competitors are two different things.

Obviously photoshopped. :rolleyes:

The Z and Mustang 5.0 are regular competitors in pro racing. Just look at the races for the Doran racing team. They're regularly competing with mustangs, camaros, m3's, etc.

You can argue different classes all day long, but an overwhelming majority of consumers (including those who look at performance cars) use price to compare different "classes" of cars. You can't just look at the # of cylinders to determine competitor, especially now when companies are downsizing and adding FI.

You mean the 5.0 badges right? Those are clearly V6 mustangs :ugh2:

As are all race cars, obviously. There is no racing series that just takes cars off the street and puts them on a track without upgrading components for longevity, durability, and performance.

I'll make sure to make my next purchase decision while completely ignoring price.


I do agree that the v6 mustang is probably the closer competitor to the z, though probably not for the same reasons you do.

I can haz ride in your future Veyron?

Honda needs a 30-35k sport car in my opinion. I'm pissed they went economy car route..
Hate to say it but if Honda had redid the s2k or came out with something not but ugly with actual torque that's what I would be driving.

Also anyone see the new c7 looks like 370z gtr and Ferrari had a baby!

That's exactly my point. You can use price to argue about your purchase. But at the end of the day... there are seperate spec classes. Now you say the Doran races compare them. But I would have to know what's happening under the hood of those cars to argue that. I don't. Modifed racing narrows gaps and that's another ballpark altogether. But whatever... the same 5 guys are gonna argue about the same mustang shyt for the 500th time... The same Z jockers and mustang fanboys run the same argument since the 2011 mustang came out and its pretty silly if you think about it.

1. This is a Z forum so bias is going for a Z.
2. Mustang jockers are trying to convert the thinking of people that want to be one sided.
3. Mustangs and Z's from stock are two different types of cars.
4. BRZ's are totally different from us and stangs.

Damn, I have a Titan pick up that's 40k... let me stack it up against my Z since they both run about $40k. Oh, the Nismo and Landrover evoque... yeah that'll work???? Come on dudes. Specs mean everything.

No car gets put up against everything under the sun as the Z does over price... lol

Ego comparison. Even when the mustang 4.6 was getting taken down by Z's, I always saw two totally different cars. But to each his own I guess. Enjoy 501 arguing the same argument.

Just like how a base Corvette is comparable to a Ferrari 458. :ugh2:

Unfortunately Honda won't build anything fun ever again. It's part of their new design philosophy.

How to build a new model Honda:

1) Come up with a great idea

2) Ruin it

3) Production!

GM and Chrysler stepped up... Somebody has to suck now. Honda, Toyota were eager to fill that gap. Lol.

The problem with specs is you're being too specific. :icon17:

Most people shop based on very broad segments. Mustang, 370Z, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. could all be thrown into the "Sports Car / Sporty Car" segment. So they'll get compared against one another as long as they are close in price.

Will they look at a Tundra? No, because it's not a "sports car / sporty car."

That's just the way the world works.

Speaking of Toyota... have you seen the crash test results for the Camry and Prius in the new "small overlap" IIHS test? Holy crap they were HORRIBLE. I was always under the impression that Toyota was pretty good at crash structure.

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1..._600/image.JPG

The driver would be absolutely MANGLED in this type of crash.

I dunno bout that bruh... I threw the Jeep wrangler unlimited in the mix when I bought the G37s. And I'm contemplating one again. My dilemma is stay in the sports arena or go off-road. Again, the Jeep wrangler is in the same price point as the Z. Of course I want to see what happens in the sports car world. But I have the JW unlimited in my sights as well.
The general concensus will generally look at cars in the same price point. AND I agree with that...

BUT... When you look at it... Any and every other reason outside of price is personal preference. Also, for most. A mustang buyer may call a Z a complete non competitor based on it being two seats. Whether its due to carrying people, storage space or needing back seats for that booming system. 6 out of 10buyers know they either want a 2 seater or 4 seater. Most don't cross-shop both. And when people need a 4 seater, but opt for the 2 seater for cool factor? That car will be traded for something else in a year or 2. You can throw in a 5.0 and do the same thing... But it pretty much ends there.
This is why imho... the true competition lies in power, suspension and technology within a certain price constraint. Give or take $10k, But this price shyt taken to another level makes things too unspecific...

For example a loaded v6 mustang and a base +sport Z while not true competitors either. Share enough. Tech specs to compare specs. So maybe we don't expect the stang to win. But the comparo would be. What percentage of performance can the stang v6 offer against a Z in spite of the price deficit. Now the Z may outperform at $37k vs the stang $32k. But I would say this. The stang creates x amount of grip, can do this that and the other. With a price deficit of $5k. You are getting a good deal. If you shell out another $5k, you can have the Z which offers XYZ. But @ 32k. The stang will offer you abc amenities vs a Z that will be bare. Make sense?

But throwing both on the same track would be dumb inho. So I wouldn't compare beyond that.

Yeah but we're kind of different. I was shopping for a Frontier and ended up with an S2000.


CLOSE ENOUGH. :bowrofl:

:ugh2:

Yes, the stang is cheaper and faster than the z... Back on topic.

:iagree:

Next gen G is going to be revealed at the Detroit Auto Show in January (along with the C7) so that should give us an idea of what we can expect for the next Z's engine.

WOW no thanks on the new C7, they are going with Camaro esque tailights it looks like..I cant afford it anyways but Time to save for a used Z06 unless the new Z can blow my mind.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psfd7e4f5c.jpg

I think I read somewhere that Nissan and Infiniti were going to divorce the Z/G union and make them completely separate cars. That the two would no longer share similar chassis and drivetrain.

** edit: This link says that the next gen G will be based off of the Mercedes C class platform. According to this rumor, I don't think the G will be an accurate indication of what we will be seeing for the next gen Z.

http://m.motortrend.com/future/futur...6_in_pipeline/

Just make a 2800lb all aluminium Z with 300hp (don't care what motor, turbo 4 or NA V6), double wishbones at all four corners, make it decent looking and I'd be first on the waiting list

Absolutely agree, I told my Nissan dealer if Honda still made the S2k, I'd be at the Honda dealer right now

Agreed if that was the case then no one would be competing against a 16 cyl Veyron. In that compareson only power to weight and top speed need apply.

In our case its performance per $. What do you get for the money and unfortunately for me an Ugly Mustang seems to have a strong argument. I think I'd rather go slower LOL! Not...buys mods. :tup: