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The should bring the Nissan Silvia back and actually call in the Silvia in America too. 1.8 to 2.2 liters in both NA and Turbo versions. This would be the

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Old 12-15-2012, 06:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The should bring the Nissan Silvia back and actually call in the Silvia in America too. 1.8 to 2.2 liters in both NA and Turbo versions. This would be the competitor to the BRZ/FR-S.

Then the Z could afford to go a little more high end keeping the 6 cylinder and adding more power, and better quality than the lower market Silvia.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I was not talking about engine configuration.
I think you missed the point.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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A turbo 4 in a Z just sounds like a bad idea. No one wants it. People who don't own a current or previous Z won't want it, and guys in Mustangs and Camaro's won't trade for it. The fight for efficiency ends when Marketing tells the the boss, no one will buy it, the Boss will tell the engineers to do what Marketing says. Stick with the 6. Last time I checked, people driving fast cars don't need revolutionary fuel economy, just enough to get past regs.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
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A turbo 4 in a Z just sounds like a bad idea. No one wants it. People who don't own a current or previous Z won't want it, and guys in Mustangs and Camaro's won't trade for it. The fight for efficiency ends when Marketing tells the the boss, no one will buy it, the Boss will tell the engineers to do what Marketing says. Stick with the 6. Last time I checked, people driving fast cars don't need revolutionary fuel economy, just enough to get past regs.
I think that's where you're wrong. Look at how popular the FRS/BRZ are. If that's what Nissan is targeting then they will probably see increased sale numbers. They'd have to lower the price a bit though.
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A turbo 4 in a Z just sounds like a bad idea. No one wants it. People who don't own a current or previous Z won't want it, and guys in Mustangs and Camaro's won't trade for it. The fight for efficiency ends when Marketing tells the the boss, no one will buy it, the Boss will tell the engineers to do what Marketing says. Stick with the 6. Last time I checked, people driving fast cars don't need revolutionary fuel economy, just enough to get past regs.
Not sure if no one wants a turbo 4 z, but I know I wouldn't want one. Got an 11 GTI turbo 4. I know it's only 200hp (so don't flame me), but has 207 tq @1,700 revs and is only 3,100 lbs, plus well under $30k OTD. Many mags rate this as the best car in it's class with linear power. While it's a very nice car and fun to drive, I wouldn't buy another.

Here's why, the mags say linear power, however it's a turbo & there is definitely lag (how can that be linear? sorry head snappin enthusiasts). Not good for city or in stop & go traffic. Our NA 6's is linear from beginning to RL. Next, the GTI also has DI, which does not have all the bugs worked out yet. While I have not gone internally in the engine to check out the carbon build up, my exhaust tips have gone from stainless to a jet black, you can't even scape it off. I'll be looking to trade that out within a few years & get a 4 door truck like a Frontier or Tacoma. Definitely keeping the Z for a long time.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, the grass isn't always greener on the other side, so enjoy our dependable, funky manual trans, heavy and fat assed NA V6. It's really a great car
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It's not going to fly with a Z emblem on the back of it. The FRS/BRZ, while great vehicle's are really just a stepping stone to higher performing vehicles. Nissan had a different lineup seperate from the Z with the S13/14/15 platform. That's where a light weight 4 cylinder turbo should be. Those coupes put up numbers that barely best the Miata. It would behoove Nissan to have a 3 sports car lineup if they want to cover the market.They would abandon an entire demographic ($30k-$50k) to move down to a sub $30k.

I should have clarified that no one wants the Z emblem on a 4 cylinder car.
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FWD, 1.8L Juke Turbo powered Altima coupe will get my money as Nissan's next "entry" level sports car under the next gen Z and GT-R. And will probably be their answer to the FR-S/BRZ.

I highly doubt Nissan will release another RWD platform in addition to the 370Z/G37 & GT-R platforms unless it shared chassis with another model. Nissan is pushing the 2013 Altima sedan hardcore right now and are putting off the redesigned Altima coupe models for a little while.

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FWD, 1.8L Juke Turbo powered Altima coupe will get my money as Nissan's next "entry" level sports car under the next gen Z and GT-R. And will probably be their answer to the FR-S/BRZ.
Wasn't that supposed to be the "mini-Z"? Is Nissan still doing that?
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Wasn't that supposed to be the "mini-Z"? Is Nissan still doing that?
I did not know about that. I know that the coupe was targeted as being more "sporty". But the price tag on the SR V6 coupe model was ridiculous. You could pick up a base+sport model 370Z for what Nissan was asking.

It is a great looking car in my opinion. If they would have made it RWD even with the QR25 engine ONLY it would have been a blast.
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FWD, 1.8L Juke Turbo powered Altima coupe will get my money as Nissan's next "entry" level sports car under the next gen Z and GT-R. And will probably be their answer to the FR-S/BRZ.

I highly doubt Nissan will release another RWD platform in addition to the 370Z/G37 & GT-R platforms unless it shared chassis with another model. Nissan is pushing the 2013 Altima sedan hardcore right now and are putting off the redesigned Altima coupe models for a little while.
1) This will NEVER compete against the FR-S/BRZ. It would compete against a Civic and VW Golf/Rabbit.
2) No purest would ever choose a FWD platform when a very good and affordable RWD platform is available in the form of the FR-S/BRZ. Friends don't let friends go FWD man...lol

Hands down it would need to be a RWD platform or dont even bother. The idea of the Altima and the Juke engine is good but it would need to be reworked to either be AWD or RWD.
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FWD, 1.8L Juke Turbo powered Altima coupe will get my money as Nissan's next "entry" level sports car under the next gen Z and GT-R. And will probably be their answer to the FR-S/BRZ.

I highly doubt Nissan will release another RWD platform in addition to the 370Z/G37 & GT-R platforms unless it shared chassis with another model. Nissan is pushing the 2013 Altima sedan hardcore right now and are putting off the redesigned Altima coupe models for a little while.
Nah I see it this way. Smaller BRZ sized Z with turbo 4. Infiniti based v6 coupe at higher end and GTR continues to be super car.
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Nah I see it this way. Smaller BRZ sized Z with turbo 4. Infiniti based v6 coupe at higher end and GTR continues to be super car.
This is a scenario that could happen. With talks of slimming the Z down. Talks of the IPL G getting the TT treatment. And the continueing evolution of the GTR. They hit all 3 segments and don't have to add another car to the stable to do it. It will have been a good run for the Z if this is indeed what ends up happening.
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Yeah I always thought it would make more sense for Nissan to make the altima coupe into that instead of a whole separate car.
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I'd buy a turboed 4 Z if it's less than 3000 lbs.

I think what they really need to do is to improve the shifting quality on the 6MT and road noise. Some road noise is ok, but excessive road noise makes DD too difficult.
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I could do a 200+hp AWD 6sp juke.
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