Driving Impressions: New 911 S vs. Z

nicknick · 12-13-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

That was a terrible analogy.

Superior is vague. Yes the GTR is faster, but it's a totally different experience. Your opinion doesn't add any value to the conversation because you have no merit behind it.

Preface your opinion by adding in "I think the GTR would be superior" as to making some sort of false claim. It will help your case.

And.....driving experiences are different to different people. So if the GTR is statisically superior to the 911 and the driving sensation is different too, why would you automaticaly conclude the 911 is better? Is it because of years of marketing hype that has crept into ones subconscious?
Fact is in all measurable ways the GTR is better than the 911 and if one prefers the driving experience of a GTR, then how is this a false claim?

Felix 808 · 12-13-2012, 10:01 PM

A little too much

going on. What is better for one is not better for all. Each has it's strengths & weakness.

edub370 · 12-13-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

And.....driving experiences are different to different people. So if the GTR is statisically superior to the 911 and the driving sensation is different too, why would you automaticaly conclude the 911 is better? Is it because of years of marketing hype that has crept into ones subconscious?
Fact is in all measurable ways the GTR is better than the 911 and if one prefers the driving experience of a GTR, then how is this a false claim?

How many ways do u need me to tell u we have a 911 in our garage... They are better.. Why do u refuse to accept this.. Are u kidding me with this stat quoting crap? How old are u dude?

cossie1600 · 12-13-2012, 10:29 PM

Not old enough to buy a GTR or 911

edub370 · 12-13-2012, 10:38 PM

Just realize there's more to cars than stats. Gonna go thru a lot of heart break if u go by that your whole life.

bigdog1250 · 12-13-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

And.....driving experiences are different to different people.

Precisely, and you have no experience driving either thus you can offer no opinion.

Thanks for stopping by the thread and saying hi though

RoshDawg · 12-14-2012, 12:24 AM

Haha can we just agree that nicknick is a fierce internet warrior who just lacks automobile smarts and go about our day?
Very excited for tomorrow. Heading back to SD and back into the 911! Will be contributing to this thread every time I go back and forth between cars.
Oh and you guys are right about not soley stats. Heck if we only looked at stats and numbers we would all have 5.0's instead of Z's! (except for nicknick..)

lemon-fresh · 12-14-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg

Haha can we just agree that nicknick is a fierce internet warrior who just lacks automobile smarts and go about our day?
Very excited for tomorrow. Heading back to SD and back into the 911! Will be contributing to this thread every time I go back and forth between cars.
Oh and you guys are right about not soley stats. Heck if we only looked at stats and numbers we would all have 5.0's instead of Z's! (except for nicknick..)

Lots of truth right there (hides from mustang defense force).

RoshDawg · 12-15-2012, 08:13 PM

If there is one thing Porsche should be known for, it isn't their steering feel (yes even their new electric setup). It's their new PDK transmission. I mean seriously, holy **** it's unreal. You never feel the shifts, you only hear them. Makes me happy that they put the paddles on the wheel itself because shifting mid corner is not a problem at all. Maybe it's because I have dynamic engine mounts as an option, which does help with that. I wish I could drive one without them to see if they actually do help.

Realistically I would pay 50k for a Nismo Z (with touring - I know that's not possible) with a PDK transmission in it. I wish Nissan worked a bit more on their transmission, and valued the importance of it much more. I hope the next gen Z works on this issue, just as much as the hp issue. And important transmission is essential in a car. I know I'm comparing a dual clutch with my traditional manual, but I have had a chance to drive the 7MT and my thoughts remain the same. I have never driven a AT 370Z though. So I can't really comment that accurately..
I found myself just constantly pulling the paddles, switching off between hands, just because each shift just feels so perfect. It's hard to explain, it's just perfect.

However, it is not perfect in normal mode. And to be honest I never keep it in normal mode because everything feels a little sluggish, whereas sport mode tickles my trousers.. Have yet to try sport plus mode.

cossie1600 · 12-15-2012, 08:50 PM

I have never driven a PDK on the street, but I did race two Boxster/Cayman S and I wasn't that impressed by it. I still prefer the 6 spd, even though I don't think that is a good gearbox either.

RoshDawg · 12-15-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I have never driven a PDK on the street, but I did race two Boxster/Cayman S and I wasn't that impressed by it. I still prefer the 6 spd, even though I don't think that is a good gearbox either.

Were they the new 981 models? They have vastly changed the PDK systems since the last models.

cossie1600 · 12-15-2012, 10:04 PM

It was either a 2010, 11 or 2012. I thought the shifts were extremely harsh and it didn't seem to live up to its billing. I was expecting video game type of shift time and power transfer. I mean I only drove a few laps, maybe it is different on the street. Plus all the Porsche motors are pretty loud, it's hard to hear what's going on under the loud exhaust!

RoshDawg · 12-15-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

It was either a 2010, 11 or 2012. I thought the shifts were extremely harsh and it didn't seem to live up to its billing. I was expecting video game type of shift time and power transfer. I mean I only drove a few laps, maybe it is different on the street. Plus all the Porsche motors are pretty loud, it's hard to hear what's going on under the loud exhaust!

Haha I know what you mean. To be honest the flat 6's sound like trucks, especially on startup!
And if you get a chance, you should try out their new PDK system! I have driven a friend's 997.2 (late model 997) with PDK and was certain that I would get the 7MT when it came to purchasing my very first. A test drive with the new system (which has exactly those video game shifts) squashed any and all doubts I had about the PDK.

nicknick · 12-16-2012, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370

How many ways do u need me to tell u we have a 911 in our garage... They are better.. Why do u refuse to accept this.. Are u kidding me with this stat quoting crap? How old are u dude?

I wonder if i have offended your ego, as you have a 911 in your garage and are trying to justify it.

Why is it that YOU can not see that many motoring journos have demonstrated that the GTR is measurably superior to the 911 and cheaper. Now as to the FEEL of the cars, yes they are different and these differences are what appeal to different people.
And......no i can not afford either car and have not driven these two new versions of either.

Jeez, seems there are some staunch Porsche defenders on this forum.

Bucketlist2012 · 12-16-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg

Just wondering, have you driven a GTR? have you driven a 991? Normally people who pass judgment as much as you have normally never driven such a car before.

Nick is pretty funny....He has never driven either car, but the books tell him which car is better ......

The real world is not a book Nick....Keep posting....Your argument continues to get weaker and weaker...

Remember Nick, YOU don't know anything about what is better....You are just reporting what you read somewhere, not actual experience...

I haven't driven either so I don't know.

12-13-2012, 10:01 PM	#77 (permalink)
Felix 808 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 1,063 Drives: 2011 PW/Grey T/S 7AT Rep Power: 2806	A little too much going on. What is better for one is not better for all. Each has it's strengths & weakness. __________________ Semper Fi Μολὼν λαβέ

12-13-2012, 10:38 PM	#80 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 19	Just realize there's more to cars than stats. Gonna go thru a lot of heart break if u go by that your whole life. bigdog1250 likes this. __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

12-14-2012, 12:24 AM	#82 (permalink)
RoshDawg Track Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: NM / CA Posts: 981 Drives: '13 911 C2S Rep Power: 14	Haha can we just agree that nicknick is a fierce internet warrior who just lacks automobile smarts and go about our day? Very excited for tomorrow. Heading back to SD and back into the 911! Will be contributing to this thread every time I go back and forth between cars. Oh and you guys are right about not soley stats. Heck if we only looked at stats and numbers we would all have 5.0's instead of Z's! (except for nicknick..) bigdog1250 and CDepp like this. __________________ \| EVO X MR \| '11 WRX STI \| 370Z SPRT \| 911 (991) C2S \|

12-15-2012, 08:13 PM	#84 (permalink)
RoshDawg Track Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: NM / CA Posts: 981 Drives: '13 911 C2S Rep Power: 14	If there is one thing Porsche should be known for, it isn't their steering feel (yes even their new electric setup). It's their new PDK transmission. I mean seriously, holy **** it's unreal. You never feel the shifts, you only hear them. Makes me happy that they put the paddles on the wheel itself because shifting mid corner is not a problem at all. Maybe it's because I have dynamic engine mounts as an option, which does help with that. I wish I could drive one without them to see if they actually do help. Realistically I would pay 50k for a Nismo Z (with touring - I know that's not possible) with a PDK transmission in it. I wish Nissan worked a bit more on their transmission, and valued the importance of it much more. I hope the next gen Z works on this issue, just as much as the hp issue. And important transmission is essential in a car. I know I'm comparing a dual clutch with my traditional manual, but I have had a chance to drive the 7MT and my thoughts remain the same. I have never driven a AT 370Z though. So I can't really comment that accurately.. I found myself just constantly pulling the paddles, switching off between hands, just because each shift just feels so perfect. It's hard to explain, it's just perfect. However, it is not perfect in normal mode. And to be honest I never keep it in normal mode because everything feels a little sluggish, whereas sport mode tickles my trousers.. Have yet to try sport plus mode. __________________ \| EVO X MR \| '11 WRX STI \| 370Z SPRT \| 911 (991) C2S \| Last edited by RoshDawg; 12-15-2012 at 08:20 PM.

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12-13-2012, 10:29 PM	#79 (permalink)
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12-15-2012, 10:04 PM	#87 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 29	It was either a 2010, 11 or 2012. I thought the shifts were extremely harsh and it didn't seem to live up to its billing. I was expecting video game type of shift time and power transfer. I mean I only drove a few laps, maybe it is different on the street. Plus all the Porsche motors are pretty loud, it's hard to hear what's going on under the loud exhaust!