damn that's expensive. You could buy a new viper for that price.

911 is still another animal. The viper wont come close in the refined portion of the driving experience. 911's are about control through any speed. Vipers are about taming the beast. It's a preference in drive style that dictates a purchase like this. Not hp.

Lotus, viper, GTR, the z and the 911 are all such different cars, but the 911 is closest to the z out of that lot. I was trying to decide between the GTR And the 911, and went with the 911 because of
1. The looks (very subjective)
2. Porsche brand and the engineering behind it
3. The refinement and lack of NVH, the supple ride that can change completely to a track car in a jiffy, and the feel of the interior.

I don't think the AWD component takes away from the GTR being a drivers car, I think it adds to it with the excitement you get with how it goes around corners, and remember you can turn those system aids off.
Here really is no substitute to the 911, perhaps the Maclaren (my dream car), but the price on one of those is a hard pill to swallow.
Oh and exit speed in a corner is outrageous in the 911, honestly I'm in shock with how much grip it has.

A car being able to transform from comfort to performance is a very underrated feature. And sitting in the 911, you feel like you're in a 100K sports car. That's a good thing. And the ergonomics of the car is superb. It really gives you the feeling of a cockpit, with great visibility too.

Gymtime, if you are indeed buying a 911, I know a little too much about the Porsche Configorator, so if you want someone to review your build I'd be more than happy to.

I guess... I still feel like if you put a new viper against an NA 911, the 911 ends up looking really overpriced for what you get. Might as well go with a cayman S instead, if you are all about the refined driving experience.

Obviously it comes down to preference, but I would be thinking "what if" every time I saw a 911Turbo drive by. If you are gonna spend all that money, might as well get the fastest one of the model line.

The turbo is another $50k+ ... I see what you're saying, but the price jump is HUGE. You have to spend within your means.

The Viper is a badass car but so is the 911, they are just very different. It's all about person preference. If you drive a 911, you'll see why lots of people choose it over other performance cars.

My dad makes good cash and even he's not buying 90k cars, how the hell do you guys do it

Word from the wise

:tiphat: Never ask another man how he is making his money. Hustle Hard.

You're talking a $50k difference. Thats two cashier jobs. I spent $70k last year on two cars. It hits you. Your logic would be better suited when it comes to a 28k loaded mustang v6, or a $34k base mustang GT with track pack. $6k vs 50k on a porsche. If he was rich like that? I'm sure he would opt for the fastest car. But let's pretend that one car is indeed faster than the other but both feel the same in terms of G's in the cockpit? And lets pretend that the op has no intersted in going past 150mph? Wouldn't he be satisfied with owning this car that may be slower but feels as fast as the faster car??? It's all subjective yes. But a porsche is still a lot more aggressive than the Z he came from soo... congrats to OP. :tiphat:

Didnt the Z beat out the Cayman in track tests?? And thats why it had the selling point of being "x" dollars less and out driving it??

Maybe this was a few years ago and they have redone the Cayman in the past years? Not sure, but I know that was the case at one point in time...

I wouldn't say beat, but it was definately a drivers race. The cayman was much better in giving a precise refined ride and was smoother in the corners. The Z was a more rambunctious muscley type car in terms of behavior. Though the Z was able to be more precise than the cayman. It took more effort to achieve that precision. The z beat the cayman S by a hairline win, but in other tests the cayman has also won. It's been boiled down to a drivers race or brutish muscle versus refinement or which one can you afford?

Ok, thank you for the explanation. With having that said, people would really rather have a Cayman S compared to a 370z when they are soooo close in performance and so much different in price?

Maybe im missing something but it just doesn't add up to me...

It's all about priorities.

Yes they're very close in performance, but it's how you get that performance and the overall feel of the car that sets the Porsche apart.

Again, if you haven't driven one it's hard to understand.

You will pull more G's in a car with more acceleration, and you will feel it going 0-60mph. I just personally wouldn't mess with porsche's until I could afford the best. If I'm spending 100k+ I'd rather buy top of the line in another brand, mostly because I can get supercar performance if I look elsewhere.

It's just how I feel, and I fully admit I've never driven a porsche.

I've driven a boxster and cayman. I been a passenger in a 911. The 911 was older. I'm not sure a cayman is worth paying double than a Z, BUT, there's definitely an inherent sense of quality and control over the car that is NOT replicated by Nissan. As far as this brand new 911 goes. I seen it in person, and it looks like its worth more than 100k. I thought the carrera was a turbo. The car is insanely flaired out and much faster than past carrera's.

I would never get a 911 Turbo (forgetting about the huge price increase). I enjoy NA cars, now perhaps if you interchanged 911 Turbo with 911 GT3, which I would prefer over my C2S (whenever it does come out), I would still not be asking myself 'what if'. I buy what I can comfortably afford, and in the lower 100K price range, the 911 is the car best suited for me. Until you have driven one, you can't compare it to other more powerful cars like the Viper. Its the same principle as the Z. Even though the Z is less powerful than a similarly priced Mustang 5.0, a lot of us here like the 'feel' of a Z more than a Mustang. Oh and the Cayman S does not have the same feel as the 911. No matter what the review people tell you, you know the engine is in the back and you drive accordingly.

The only time I would say 'What if' is if I saw a GTR (not the Viper), and that does not mean I would ever trade my 911 for a GTR.

A fellow member on 6speedonline got this with stock tires:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...1&d=1345909112
Do you really need more G's than that?

I agree with you, it does depend on preference. The preference being if you prefer lateral vs longitudinal G force, luxury vs performance, and so on.

But its next to impossible to tell a 911 owner they overpaid for their car. Its almost like a cult car (or at least it was).

Oh and longitudinal G force with launch control is 1G for future reference, not sure how much it is on a viper (I'm sure Viper can do even more)

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Cool, interesting perspective. What about lotus?

for the price you could pick up a GTR and a Z.
I'm just not understanding the comparison. Go the other way, and test drive a Yaris, come back with your thoughts compared to the Z.:tup:

1G sounds little bit much under accel?

I love the Lotus exige (a lottt), and have a lot of respect to those who drive them. I would love to have one, but I can't afford both a luxury sports car and a track day car. If I did, you better believe I would be daily driving it until my back starts hurting. I think better than the lotus would be an Ariel atom. If I tracked a lot, I would've gotten an Ariel Atom and a ford focus for the price of a 911.

Okay to be exact it's 0.99G. Anyone have the value for a GTR launch?

Oh for goodness sake, get over it, Porsches are good just not worth the money you pay for them. you are paying so much more just for brand cache. The GTR is an awesome car for reasonable money, although it could look better. Having said that the 911 is not exactly a beauty queen either.

Just wondering, have you driven a GTR? have you driven a 991? Normally people who pass judgment as much as you have normally never driven such a car before.

Liked and seconded...

I have said this so many times in this forum. GO DRIVE A 911. U will get it. They are amazing machines

Haha just read up on some of nicknick's posts. Lol...

Well, I think Porsche is a wonderful sport car. I love the 911 (after the Panamera!!) but the price is high and the maintainance cost just to much. The Z on another hand is very cheaper and lucks just sexy as a cayman in my opinion.

If we want to compare 911 I think we should bring the older 370z brother, GTR....

I agree! Except for one part, why does everyone keep saying cost of ownership is so much on the Porsche (besides oil which can be done by yourself!)? Maybe I my parents (cayenne turbo and 997 S) were lucky as they have never required maintenance in their 155K+ mile run (outside of recalls).

Porsche is a rather reliable brand if you ask me. But hey, I'm a bit biased :tup:

But I do feel like next gen Z can actually compare to the base 911! (I have high hopes for the next Z).

I agree. Those of u saying 911 coat of ownership is high. Any explanation of this thought process? We have a '99 996 in our garage right now with 70k+ on it. Everything done so far on three car had been preventative. Never had a hiccup with it once. I personally owned a 944S that i dd'd in hs that gaff over 190,000 miles on it when i sold it.

Sure, if u neglect preventative or scheduled maintenance on these cars it will cost u, they are high performance vehicles and will be more subject to wear and tear. But remember, the same can be said for any car if not properly maintained

I've never driven any type of 911's but I did get a chance to drive the new 981 Boxster. And I have to say, that car was a bliss to drive. Porsche is a company that knows how to make sports cars, and they do it very well. The 981 Boxster is the total package IMHO. I've never had that much fun behind the wheel of a car, and at the same time, I felt like I was surrounded with a plush environment. I won't go into detail about the ride/handling but believe me when I say, the 370 is outclassed in that department too. Considering the starting price of 50K, I think it's totally worth it. If that's any indication of what Porsche cars are like, then comparing the 370 to the 911 is a bit silly. No offense.

hey, you don't need to get shot with a shotgun to know you're not going to like it right?
no i have not driven either, but that is what road tests are for. road tests reveal the GTR to be superior to the 911 at a cheaper price.

I just thought I'd share my experience driving the car vs. the car we all own. Of course they aren't in the same category due to the price difference but thought people would be interested in hearing my experience, which they seemed to be.

That was a terrible analogy.

Superior is vague. Yes the GTR is faster, but it's a totally different experience. Your opinion doesn't add any value to the conversation because you have no merit behind it.

Preface your opinion by adding in "I think the GTR would be superior" as to making some sort of false claim. It will help your case.

Lol ok dude.

Sounds like a whiny guy who can't afford either haha

And.....driving experiences are different to different people. So if the GTR is statisically superior to the 911 and the driving sensation is different too, why would you automaticaly conclude the 911 is better? Is it because of years of marketing hype that has crept into ones subconscious?
Fact is in all measurable ways the GTR is better than the 911 and if one prefers the driving experience of a GTR, then how is this a false claim?

A little too much :worship: going on. What is better for one is not better for all. Each has it's strengths & weakness.

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How many ways do u need me to tell u we have a 911 in our garage... They are better.. Why do u refuse to accept this.. Are u kidding me with this stat quoting crap? How old are u dude?

Not old enough to buy a GTR or 911 :)

Just realize there's more to cars than stats. Gonna go thru a lot of heart break if u go by that your whole life.