Evo X or 370Z???

Red__Zed · 10-30-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I was on your side until I went car shopping the last two months. The prices were roughly the same for my Z and the Cube (which I eventually traded). The blackbook consistently came in HIGHER than the bluebook on all three cars. Also on the newer car I bought, the blackbook prices were so high that they were near some of the retail prices. I am not sure of the change either. I have this theory that bluebook got so popular that the dealer paid them to lower the prices so they can get more deals done.

Post your numbers then.

cossie1600 · 10-30-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Post your numbers then.

I just showed it to you on my Prius, I will show you another one. How about that?

Blackbook listed my Lexus as such, KBB has it listed at $1K+ lower. How is that higher?

Black Book Trade-In as of 10/29/2012
Clean Average Rough
Base $39,570 $37,110 $31,105
Options $750 $750 $750
Mileage ($2,250) ($1,600) ($1,075)
Total $38,070 $36,260 $30,780

Excellent
$36,510
Very Good
$35,710
Good
$34,410
Fair
$30,610

Red__Zed · 10-30-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Go ahead and show me the post where I claim that.

Btw, comparing the 370z to the Japanese cars of the 90s is laughable.

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I just showed it to you on my Prius, I will show you another one. How about that?

Blackbook listed my Lexus as such, KBB has it listed at $1K+ lower. How is that higher?

Black Book Trade-In as of 10/29/2012
Clean Average Rough
Base $39,570 $37,110 $31,105
Options $750 $750 $750
Mileage ($2,250) ($1,600) ($1,075)
Total $38,070 $36,260 $30,780

Excellent
$36,510
Very Good
$35,710
Good
$34,410
Fair
$30,610

Are you aware that the online black book site isn't black book value?

cossie1600 · 10-30-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Are you aware that the online black book site isn't black book value?

Perhaps, but it is good enough to be used by banks on loans

Red__Zed · 10-30-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Perhaps, but it is good enough to be used by banks on loans

Yes, but it is completely irrelevant to this discussion. It uses the same type of naive value formula that KBB now uses.

cossie1600 · 10-30-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Yes, but it is completely irrelevant to this discussion. It uses the same type of naive value formula that KBB now uses.

It's deemed good enough to use by the bank, that matters. Regardless, most banks use blackbook and NADA, not KBB. I was simply saying KBB has lower their numbers in order to possibly scam consumers since most people use that as a reference.

SS_Firehawk · 10-30-2012, 12:15 PM

Here Red_Zed, used your source. I used competing 2011 models as this is what we both have been referring to. I loaded all models with options to guarantee they are in a similar price range when new. Please explain why my results are different than yours using two different tools. And yes, those are straight from their site and printed to PDF, go ahead and check if I manipulated the numbers. You don't have to reply after reading unless you want to add to your posting numbers.

Oh and it was post 103 where I claimed the 370Z resale value was good and you refuted, then proceeded to paste unsourced information.

Red__Zed · 10-30-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Here Red_Zed, used your source. I used competing 2011 models as this is what we both have been referring to. I loaded all models with options to guarantee they are in a similar price range when new. Please explain why my results are different than yours using two different tools. And yes, those are straight from their site and printed to PDF, go ahead and check if I manipulated the numbers. You don't have to reply after reading unless you want to add to your posting numbers.

Include Msrp so I know what options you are including.

Broadly speaking, the numbers are different because you outfitted the cars differently than I did, and you failed to include the Msrp numbers to obscure that

Of course, your post does nothing but prove me right. The z is on par with competitors, not "possessing the highest residual value in the industry" as you claim.