Along with rear view mirrors that hook up to the back doors of cars for those who like to drive their car with the seat reclined to the max :happydance:

juuuust kidding.

Like I said we want a shop and have every intentions of moving into our own instead of splitting one + working out of the garage. But before we just did not need the space and we were dealing with a cramped environment. You know. Conforming to what is already given.

After a few of these part molds are finished and once we start getting orders we will be forced to move into at least 2000 - 5000 sq ft space because as you can already see. It is becoming very hard to move around in the current place. Tomorrow we are moving some stuff to the paint shop just so we have room to turn around with out elbowing each other in the face.

Please do us al la favor and weigh the stock parts (hood, hatch, bumpers, etc) so we have a starting comparison!

I removed the hatch a while back as well and it felt pretty light to me (compared to the steel 350z at least) but never weighed it.

Thanks for all the updates!

Spawn, do you have any newly released drawings of what the final product or products are going to look like?

I don't see why they would make a drawing, they're going to mold the original pieces, so it's not like it's done in CAD software or anything.

Ok so for this car, the roof is going to be an overlay, so we won't get a roof weight. The front stuff (fenders, hood) are going to be a complete replacement though right?

I remember seeing a drawing on the design they were thinking of, but I haven't seen anything newer. I was just wondering if there were newer versions.

We have yet to release the widebody design so you guys will have to wait for that one lol

The Rear is sooo freaking aggressive yet CLEAN!!!

i can't remember if you showed that to me or not. i do remember the front. :)

The roof is going to be an overlay (roughly 2 - 4 lbs) Very thin and light so it sits super flush.

The hood, fenders, and hatch will be direct swaps.

Then we have a few other overlays and small part replacements that we are holding off as suprises!

Updates coming tonight!

Sorry for not updating you guys last night! I was working till 12 trying to stay on schedule. Ill post last nights and tonights update around 8PM central time.

Tomorrow we will also have carbon fiber roofs and front bumper license plate overlays ready to order.

John,

Something that I think you should take into consideration, after your intial effort here, is reproducing the Nismo front in carbon fiber. You are basically targeting a few small demographics:

1. People that want a light front fascia and don't care if it looks stock.
2. People that have to have everything in carbon fiber (including their significant other if they could).

Nissan has really dropped the ball (and opened a door for someone else) by not offering the Nismo front fascia for sale even in ABS plastic. If you were to get your hands on one for a mould, you could easily produce them in carbon fiber the same as you are here. This would appeal to much broader consumer base, such as:

3. People that think the fangs aren't the greatest.
4. People that like the Nismo front more but Nissan left out in the cold.
5. People that want the proven aero design of the Nismo front.
6. People that want a high quality alternative to stock (basically people that feel compelled to mod).

I hope all this pans out and pays off for you. I just wanted to throw out the idea for consideration/discussion. You may have already thought of it.

Keep up the good work.

Nismo CF front would be a very good idea. Very very good. That would shed more than %50 of the front bumper weight.

When it comes to a time in a few weeks when we want another Z to come down for more parts then we will GI this idea :)

:iagree: Personally I don't think that is something that I personally would (eventually) be interested in purchasing myself, however the idea is brilliant. Make a NISMO in CF and corner an entire market!

I'm glad you guys are tackling this head on, props to you.

In for the updates

You make a full Nismo 370Z kit, and I'll buy it.

Please also reproduce the Nismo Z edition rear bumper. Carbon fiber is not necessary, just in the same material Nissan uses would be fine. I am assuming that if the Nismo front is not sold (what about replacement parts, will this require a VIN?), the rear bumper won't be sold either...

Thanks...

If I got a VIN number of a nismo (I might not even need one) I know Nissan would bring us the kit with in the weeks end. Assuming we ordered on the begenning of the week. Like I said this needs its own GI thread and another test fitter to come by. If we found a Nismo owner we would have no need to purchase a kit which would make it cheaper for you guys. Im guessing the Nismo kit costs over $1500.

OOK back on topic! This is the bullitt thread!

If you make a nismo front bumper replica, just PM me your paypal no questions asked.

If I am understanding your statement correctly... you are proposing that if you had a Nismo 370z VIN number, and that you might not even need one...that Nissan could and would ship you all the Nismo replacement panels before the end of this week for under $1500 dollars? Ill tell you what, lets make a deal. Order the kit, make the molds, and Ill buy it off of you for $1000 dollars after your finished with them.

I have been following your thread, and haven't commented on anything yet. I have a few questions that I have been pondering.

What is your solution for storing the molds in your garage to retain proper symmetry and strength without distorting the original mold shape?

Similarly, if you don't have the original parts you are creating... assuming you are making a fiberglass mold, what is your plan if one of the molds break or crack in the future?

How do you control the humidity and temperature level in your workspace to achieve proper curing as per recommended specs consistent with the resin you use and to prevent the carbon fiber fabric to absorb ambient moisture?

I am assuming you have never made a carbon fiber hood before because you have not mentioned making two molds for the hood. One mold provides the exterior contours and the latter the interior contours and structural rigidity. Once both molds are complete the two parts need to be bonded with carbon specific structural adhesive for wet layup, if dry carbon was used you could reintroduce heat and the two pieces would bond together in an autoclave.

What accommodations have you planned to incorporate the hood mounting hardware, for the hinges and hood latches?

I could ask so many more questions.... but I will just continue to watch. My questions are in no form derogatory or demeaning. I am trying to present constructive criticism to address areas where this extreme hobby experiment can go wrong. I hope to buy a few enhancements if all turns out well... I just think a simple dash kit would have been a good place to start and then add one additional product at a time.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me as I live very close to you and have created a few carbon pieces for hobby value.

There is a reason why F-1 teams have multi-million dollar budgets, because they work with and use carbon fiber...

And to throw it out and make this my longest post yet, OCC owned a steel manufacturing enterprise before dabbling with motorcycles. And coincidentally those motorcycles were made of 80% steel parts. Never did Paul Sr. design and build a motorcycle in his basement or garage...

Thank you for your time - that is all for now,

Nick

Dry Carbon Molding
 

"One mold provides the exterior contours and the latter the interior contours and structural rigidity. Once both molds are complete the two parts need to be bonded with carbon specific structural adhesive for wet layup, if dry carbon was used you could reintroduce heat and the two pieces would bond together in an autoclave."

Even better, vacuum bagged, pre-preg carbon fiber in a two-piece mold in an autoclave with humidity,temp, and pressure control.

If you could make a front bumper without the fangs and still have it look stock, Kinda like the Nismo version without the lip, I think that would be welcome with open arms and open wallets.

What is your solution for storing the molds in your garage to retain proper symmetry and strength without distorting the original mold shape?
Since most of our early molds were small they would be stored on shelves or in storage lockers. Our latest molds have gotten bigger and bigger. Any mold that is practically a simple big shape (hood face, roof panel, etc) has a back brace that we mold into the final layers of the mold which keeps the mold from warping while curing. Once the mold is cured its cured for good and if its kept flat it wont change shapes. We also do not remove any molds until we are sure its fully cured. We don’t quick dry our molds with heat or UV lighting, we just let them sit for at least 48 hrs in room temp. We also use the highest quality resin we can find which has a super low warp or shrinkage rate. Even more so if the mold does not over heat so we do not put on multiple layers at once to prevent that.

Similarly, if you don't have the original parts you are creating... assuming you are making a fiberglass mold, what is your plan if one of the molds break or crack in the future?
We would either buy the part or preferably have a local come down to remold the product. We always would rather create molds of live parts since they are already fitted to the car and have kept shape for some time.

How do you control the humidity and temperature level in your workspace to achieve proper curing as per recommended specs consistent with the resin you use and to prevent the carbon fiber fabric to absorb ambient moisture?
Since most shops do not control humidity only temperature its never a real issue. But we can not control either or so the way we counterattack the "might be problem" is by mixing chemicals to alter the structure of the material yet alter it in a way so it does not change the properties of strength and or shape. We do this by either adding in acetone or other high evaporative substances such as that or other products which if the temperature is over 80 degrees. Those added materials evaporate before anything else gets a chance to. And by that time the parts are already curing. We also change the amount of activator / hardener we put in. If its hotter we put less hardener so it wont affect the shape. If its colder we put more so that the materials don’t separate.

What accommodations have you planned to incorporate the hood mounting hardware, for the hinges and hood latches?
We are still trying to work that out but the best idea so far is to have an outside company create steel plates that will go behind the hardware so that nothing cracks or separates.

I could ask so many more questions.... but I will just continue to watch. My questions are in no form derogatory or demeaning. I am trying to present constructive criticism to address areas where this extreme hobby experiment can go wrong. I hope to buy a few enhancements if all turns out well... I just think a simple dash kit would have been a good place to start and then add one additional product at a time.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me as I live very close to you and have created a few carbon pieces for hobby value.

There is a reason why F-1 teams have multi-million dollar budgets, because they work with and use carbon fiber...

And to throw it out and make this my longest post yet, OCC owned a steel manufacturing enterprise before dabbling with motorcycles. And coincidentally those motorcycles were made of 80% steel parts. Never did Paul Sr. design and build a motorcycle in his basement or garage...

And yes I do know that. I also know that its the TV show that got them to where they are today. But I try to personally look past those facts just to boost our confidence. We have never had doubt in ourselves but this just helps. :)

Thank you for your time - that is all for now,

Nick

And we only know you are trying to help. In no way I thought of this as an ill post. Yes right now we don’t have the best environment but it is a place where we can do our work with great concentration, all the surrounding businesses and neighbors are real happy with our presence as well as the local law enforcement as we are doing some jobs for local police officers, and right now it’s the best place for our position. Like I did say in a few weeks to late summer we will be renting out a 5000 sq ft warehouse in Chicago that a friend of mine / fiberglass supplier is offering us at a very great price. So right now its not the are around us or the are that we are in, it’s the techniques we use to counter all of the “what could be problems” which so far has worked well and we have yet to come across a problem.

Also all our carbon fiber is vacuumed to remove excess materials, thin and lighten them down, and remove any air bubbles / moisture that can ruin the part. That is the one technique that really does effect the overall outcome of every product fiberglass and carbon fiber.

I might be contacting you in the future :D

Here are more pictures!

This is yesterday and today combined.

Here is Manny spreading on the gel coat (most of the pictures have him in it, and no he does not do all of the work ha)
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...p/SSPX1643.jpg

The gel coat on the front bumper license plate back.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...p/SSPX1646.jpg

Starting fiberglass layup
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...p/SSPX1655.jpg

The first 7 coats of fiberglass
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...p/SSPX1656.jpg

Preping the rear bumper for the mold.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...p/SSPX1662.jpg

And today we pulled the mold for the front bumper (Ill get pics tomorrow) But here is a picture showing we take extra precautions to make sure the panels are not harmed during glassing them. As you can see the bumper is in the same condition as it was prior to laying fiberglass over it.

Tomorrow we will make the first carbon fiber roof, front bumper license back, and a FRP replica of the hood which we will modify for the scoops.

We will also start the fenders, hatch, and the reverse side of the hood for the molds.

10 days to go and allot of work to do :D

doing a good job !!

Honestly, I think the coolest part about this build is that you are walking us through the steps you are taking to build these parts. We don't just see a picture of the final product and order, we literally get to watch you build them so we can see as close to first-hand as we possibly can without helping you, the quality and craftsmanship that goes into the product.

I will definitely be interested in some of these parts in the end, especially since my car has a black and white theme :tup:

I agree. What a refreshing change from the attitude that some companies have. Take SSR, for example. They won't even release offset info because they 'don't want to share their trade secrets with their competitors'. They're a bunch of tossers is what they are. Props to you guys at Spawn Aerodynamics. :tup:

^ that's the difference between a private shop and a commercial business shop.

+1 to u spawn

Awwwwww shucks!!!

Keep up the great work Spawn!

Agreed, it's been the same with berk and their cat-back as well. getting to see the process along with testing has helped spark more interest, as well as more confidence in the consumer. It's a win-win situation for anyone building a quality product. If your product is a piece of crap though, you don't want to be doing this :roflpuke2:

Takes guts to show the process... Nothing to hide.

This reminds of fast food joints. Who knows what happens in the kitchen.

Great points guys! Yea John and I had several conversations on this subject and we both agreed to involve the community as much as possible. Allowing you guys to see the process was a really great idea "thanks John!". John and his shop do GREAT work and I am excited to get my car back with all these parts on it! For sure this will be the First carbon Fiber 370z in the WORLD!!!! John we are making history brother lets keep it up! Spawn Aerodynamics will definitely be a major contender to deal with! Best Prices with exceptional quality!!! JDM manufacturers watch your back because Spawn Aero is hunting you down like Red October!

MOAR PICS!! and i cant wait to start buying some CF crap for my car lol. im obsessed with it. ****. i will send u my car for a long period of time to make more carbon fiber whatever (widebody...different designs, etc). hook it up! bullit got first dibs...my turn! lol. great job tho guys. this is a super cool project

excellent pics, thanks for sharing with the forum!

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Well today started great! We demolded the so far molds and so far 3 of 3 are perfect! We started 4 more today.

Here are some pictures.

Manny next to the new roof mold.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1681.jpg

Me next to the new roof mold. (I always have sunglasses on, the light buggs me sometimes)
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1683.jpg

Getting ready to layup bullittes carbon fiber license plate front.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1695.jpg

Layup.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1696.jpg

Everything even fiberglass is vacuumed for perfection!
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1702.jpg

Preping the rear.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1699.jpg

All items are branded and placed with a serial number for authenticity.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1706.jpg

Starting a new mold.
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...5/SSPX1713.jpg

sweet, that last one is one I would be interested in. CF in that area is an eye catcher at shows.

Lookin' good guys, can't wait to see some final products and pricing :tup:

Hey spawn - any chance you could make me a diffuser for the back which can cover up that ugly butthole and have it be in FG w/ NO CF :p?

Nice work!