Why are reviewers so hard on the z?
 

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/10-used-cars-to-avoid#9

I'm not sure the z belongs here, one idiot crashes a nismo and we become universally hated. Since when does high oil temps translate to bad used buy due to reliability?:banghead:

There are a lot of other cars I Would put on this list before the z.

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We have suspension problems? :icon14:

I'll give them the transmission just because I don't like how it feels, but since when did all the cars start having engine trouble? And how many people have had brake failure going to work?

I feel like they didn't do any research and are straight up misleading which leads me to wonder about the other 9 cars on that list... :shakes head:

The car has its flaws, it's going on three-four years old, and Nissan more aggressively markets its other vehicles.

The car had oil issues, brake cooling issues, still has the fuel starve issue.

But it is a much more fun car than reviewers would lead you to believe, and so far, it has been 100% reliable for me.

Guys, it's no big deal, it's just that the engine and transmission, the drive system, the suspension and the brakes are all prone to failure. :rolleyes:

I'm so glad I judge cars by driving them rather than reading whatever garbage someone typed and believing it, or I'd have never had the chance to enjoy a great car like the Z.

I'm with You guys, I just hope That if We decide to sell our z , articles like these Don't ruin resale value.

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Wtf are they talking about? Seriously, did Paul Ryan write this?

Per the article, it is about "when the warranty lapses and mechanical issues arise, all the prestige and performance mean nothing as the car languishes in the shop, racking up costly repair bills. That's exactly what the vehicles on this list will do." which has nothing what so ever to do with track performance.

Not saying that the car is perfect or free of issues (we can all rattle them off faster than our parents birthday's probably), but saying the 370z introduces "a host of problems that didn't exist before, particularly related to the engine and transmission. The drive system, suspension and brakes are also failure-prone." is totally false and an outright lie.

Who gets brake fade driving to work? How many have had suspension failures? What are these engine problems? If they are equating tracking to daily driving, then this is mostly just a load bunk. If not, I would like to see where they got their numbers because all these problems are news to me as it relates to driving to and from work.

Poor article. It just got :owned:

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This! I just drove my Z 800 miles through Northern AZ having a blast on all those winding roads! My favorite was HWY 89A going to and past Jerome! I had no oil issues or brake failure issures. No fuel starvation............ If I was racing the car maybe I would see these issues, I am not, just having fun!

Only refers to 09-10 models, which is the first years of the redesign. Most, if not all, first new model year cars will have their issues and manufacturers will work them out over time.

This is why I got a 2012 model. Oil cooler, heated mirrors, etc. :tup:

I have heated mirrors on my 2010...

Oil cooler was only addition to 2012.

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i say.......... the best review anyone can possbily do is test drive and see for yourself.
people can say whatever. but if you want a car despite certain flaws then GET IT!, never let others influence your decision (aka peer pressure lol)

for me, i didnt care what reviews exc said....... i wanted it. i drove it. i LOVED it. i GOT it!. end of story

They are probably referring to oil consumption when they talk engine failures.

The transmission has been a major issue for Nissan for quite a while.

Steering lock issues certainly don't help the reliability ratings either.


I think if you are taking your "which car to buy" advice from MSN, something is wrong, though.

I have no idea what you're talking about. i'm only on my second one :icon17:

but for real... what suspension problems have these cars ever had....

I had to take a gigantic poo on the way home today

did the 0-60 in about 4.7 seconds, no transmission issue
redlined every single gear, no oil starvation/overheating
drifted around 3 corners at about 1.00 g, no LSD problem
reversed into my garage at about 35mph, no visibility issues
on the way running into my house a hot chick walking her dog past my house said "wow.. really nice car."

within 6 mins every aspect of the perfect sports car was tested. my huge poo made way for a legitimate 'real world' test of our Z's.. and mine passed with flying colours.

so screw all the haters. Z-fanboy errrrrrday. (gangsta)

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I'm convinced that most of the reviewers out there are incapable of accurately reviewing sports cars. When I was doing research before I bought my Z most of the negative reviews make minor issues sound much worse than they really are. Like the engine tones- most reviews claimed that the car makes horrific growls. Personally, I like the way my car sounds. I also happen to disagree with the cars that Consumer Reports and Edmunds rated as the best in class. One of them ranked the Challenger as a top pick. I had the misfortune of driving one the other day, and in my biased opinion I was confused on how it got the title of sports car. It handles worse than a mini van, was the size of a small tank, and felt like it had less power than the Charger. And it was ranked better than the Z?

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i agree, who cares what the everyone else says. if you want a car. preferably a SPORTS car. get it if you want it and like it.

if you dont want this this this and this happening, well then buy the things that prevent it ( Oil Cooler exc) i bought the car purely off of " i want a sports car, i love the feel and the way the 370z looks, THATS my car." other's there are other sports cars out there, but for the money i paid/am paying for it being a SPORTS car, i wanted it to not only have power but LOOK the part. i test drove a mustang v8 with 417 hp and yea it had the power but it didnt have that "look"....... if you know what i mean..... theres a certain look and feel a sports car has when you get in one or see one that lets you know yea thats a sports car...... and for the price the Z was it for me. i bought my car solely of out " i want a sports car. a car with a look and feel of a sports car." Z was fate for me lol:excited:

I agree! I've got about $1200 in upgrades in mine and have everything taken care of except for the most extreme race situation. Granted oil cooler is a little week but car didn't go over 230 all summer. :tup:

For me, I'd rather put 1.2k in upgrades rather than pay an extra 20- 30k for the car.

Honestly, they're not targeting the 370Z. It's their honest opinion and their job.

The 370Z is not perfect, but we love them and that is all that matters.

THUMBSUPMOTHERFUCKER

I think maybe the 370z looks better than it drives. I thought this was true of the Nismo after test-driving it. Good rather than Great.

I think that just how it is in reality. Great things or people will always get pick on by haters. Just like Kobe Bryant and Lebron James. Easily should be consider two of the all time great players ever play the game of basketball. But will always get negative comments said about them.

:rolleyes: I'm pretty sure the reviewers are not "hating" on the Z... They just don't like it and we are obviously bias.

Why would they find things to complain about or exaggerate over... These are serious issues with the z in my opinion. 2012 oil cooler is a joke. I have 3100 miles on a 2012 z and just a 50 mile trip on a hot summer day is bringing temps to 230-240 casual driving.. Basically no way is this going to be a car you push without at least 1500-2000 in mods. Already paying 35-40k for the car. It's a niche car, not a smart buy for most people.

I love the car though don't get me wrong, looks are very very important and not many can top the 370z looks.

Or maybe they're not paid up the wazhoo like Ford and Toyota to like certain cars. :stirthepot:

I mean, the only thing Nissan advertise the Z about is their "win this car" brochures and "go from a Z to a Maxima when you have a family" commercial.

Let me make you guy feel better, not a sports car but just use this as a comparision,
2008-10 honda accords:

rear pads wear out in 10-15k
4 cyl oil consumption issues
vtc actuator issues
key fob module issues
xm receiver issue

06-09 civics:

engine blocks crack
motor mounts are junk
front pads 15-20k(some lower)
wheel bearings
low idle issue
rev hang on si's

These are just a few, very few issues, the lists go on and longerfor some models.
NOTHING is perfect, and stuff breaks or has design flaws, just hte way it is.

even with all the crap I read on 350zs, I bough one, only real issue were the window motors.

I sold my 350z, and I am buying a 370z, but now I know the problems and how to avoid or fix them now.

i don't and won't take much stock in anything these wanna be weekend race car drivers/ hack writers say most of the time......

imho it's how the car preforms over the long haul and how dependable it is during that time NO car is perfect..... but these wanna be Jimmy Johnson's
take these cars out and drive them like they stole em. then another set get in
and do the same thing over and over. i don't care what car you test if you kick it in the xxx enough it will fail.........................

my experience 09 47,000 miles never a failure. no oil burning or over heating....
no rattles car is as tight as the day i bought it with 3 miles on it......

and i redline the gears at least once or twice a week just because i can....

sorry to ramble......................

American car and bike magazines suck balls, the British ones are so much better and honest. If road and track along with car and driver ever picked the "cheaper" car in a comparison they would never be given a car to drive from BMW, Audi, Honda and the other *** kissers. examples are the GT mustang versus the M3 and the cayman S versus the Z , plus others.

I'm not sure bias is the right word. We all spent $25k to $45k to buy a car we thought was great. That doesn't make us bias but it pretty clearly demonstrates that there are a lot of car people out there that think these reviewers don't know what they're talking about.

Just because some C+ journalism student gets a job at a car magazine, it doesn't make him an instant expert on cars.

LMAO :bowrofl:

If it's not hitting limp mode. It's doing it's job. I had 1 issue with engine oil hitting 'possible' limp mode and that was before I knew to even watch out for it. I had an RX-8 before this car and was holding the revs a little too long between shifts. With Normal driving and proper shifting it's a non issue for 95%-99% of street driving. I've driven a 400 mile trip in 95-100 degree weather with the oil temps sitting around 220-230 degrees. The point everyone is trying to defend is that the Z has issues just like every car. The problem is that this doesn't have stuff like facts and figures to actually back up the claim. They might even base it on percentage, in which case the low volume altogether is going to skew the results. The Z, being a sports car, also tends to be driven a bit more aggressively compared to something a bit more utilatarian. We can't really talk about it, but some people street race these cars or do stupid stuff like neutral drops on the AT. We all know the Z isn't perfect, but articles like this don't help buyers, they misinform without proper research. Most people are stupid when it comes to cars and will believe all this crap without doing their own research either.

Last point from me. jmo those that say this car is not quick or fast
for a six banger are just plain ignorant. As for as handling
if a vette is a 10 than the 370 is an 71/2. And 20 grand less

You're right, it's actually not in a grammatical sense; biased is the adjective you're looking for.

/grammar critique ;)


I don't think we're simply biased in thinking that some journalists are over the top in their criticism of the Z. For a while the Inside Line blog had entry after entry on how their long-term Z's interior was insufferably loud. It actually made me think twice about buying the car (prior to a test drive, mind you).


Imagine my surprise in finding that the Z is actually fairly refined for a dedicated performance machine. I even found conflicting reviews where this refinement was pointed out as a positive (such as in the comparison test against the Cayman in the now-defunct online Motive Mag - look up "baby GT-R vs. baby 911" if you want to read a glowing review of the 370). Not to mention performance cars with significantly (and measurably) louder interiors often get a pass as that's just expected of such a machine.

There are quite a few positive Z reviews out there (Car & Driver's first test of the 370Z in the fall of 2008 comes to mind) if you look for them, though. This just seems to be a car that will obviously turn off folks expecting/preferring a hushed, serene and otherwise sterile ride afforded by a sedan or luxury GT coupe (a la the original Lexus SC).


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I sure if we all looked we can find bad reviews for any car, if we all owned evos we would be dissing the reviews that compain about them.

look how deciving this is compare the actual reviews and overal scores:

Nissan 370Z expert car review verdict - BBC Top Gear

Mitsubishi Evo X expert car review verdict - BBC Top Gear

I bought my Nismo used with 22k miles on it, and have been driving it like a bat out of hell for 5 months, car is perfect, has never skipped a beat at all. Im at 33k miles now.

Maybe I should have done more research or whatever when deciding to go with a Z, but... A lot of stuff those articles say I really don't care much about. Every car will have problems. *shrug*

When I went shopping for a car I test drove a bunch.. went to a Nissan dealer and tried a Z fully expecting not to like it.

Now I'm buying one.

=]

-n

Guys and Gals! Don't put too much credence here. It is an editorial from msn who did not even have the ballz to put a credible journalist. Who wrote it? A freelance contributor!!!!

Matthew de Paula wanted to be an automotive journalist ever since reading his first car magazine in grade school. After a brief stint writing about finance, he helped launch ForbesAutos.com and became the site’s editor in 2006. Matthew now freelances for various outlets.

Matthew -- I'll race you with my stock Z and I'm sure my Z bro's in this forum would not hesitate to take my spot just to get a pc of you. But were not that brutal. How about a simple race AND bench presses.

Writing about cars is different if you actually had the background in automotive technology or actually driving cars and testing them for a living. Common MSN, get your shyts together and get real with your articles instead of putting some guy to fill your web pages.
ForbesAutos.com no longer exist FOR A REASON!!!! Bad Editorials, Contributors, and Journalists.

Im going to look a used 2010 Z today, guess what I am taking with me...

Unless it is a major magazine or publication. These morons that write for the online blogs and other "auto-news" just copy what they read they don't do any tests and these DB's don't know a thing about cars, and they are failed writers. They get paid to do as little as possible when coming up with intelligent commentary about automobiles. I trust Motor Trend, Top Gear, and a few major mags. Yet most are paid extra today to give good write ups for crappy cars and are now biased.