Saw a 2013 Z on the road today....

Rockhound

1. Other than lacking body-color fangs, the '13 bumper is far more contoured and modern than the 350Z bumper. The fangs were somewhat polarizing - guess what? I like both. You should see it in person to not sound so uninformed.

2. You seem oblivious to the concept of inflation. My particular Z saw a 1.5% price increase over the 2012. That's under year over year inflation (1.9%). You're getting awfully worked up over a (negotiable) ~$600 increase on a $40k car. Consumer goods experience price increase without "upgrades" (i.e., a gallon of milk).

3. The Z is still highly competitive to the Gen Coupe - even with the Hyundai's "vast improvements" it's still slower than the Z. If you ask me, Hyundai took a handsome design and ruined it with boi-racer hood scoops and a garish grille. The Gen Coupe's interior is now at least a step above Elantra quality.

4. I never cross-shopped the Z to the Camaro, regardless of stats. Also, see #3 re: interior design/quality. Z to Camaro is apples to oranges.

5. Yes, I would define your tone as "hate" - you just don't realize how much you sound like that 'Buddy' character you were bickering with.

Please explain why you saw the 2013 model year as do-or-die for Nissan to radically alter their low-volume sports coupe. A five year lifespan with subtle changes is not out of the norm. Unlike Apple, there isn't going to be a "all-new" model every couple years - this isn't an iPhone, it's a car.


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UNKNOWN_370

Ok, you're beginning to get defensive for no reason.

1. The comparisons to these cars aren't direct. My main issue is the Z should have upgrades that create the same kind of attention. This upgrade won't do it.
2. I am going on step further and test driving this car tomorrow. I'm not misinformed. I have studied enough pictures to know that I am not satisfied with this cars new look. But the proof will be in the pudding tomorrow.
3. Inflation. Uh huh. Point is, other cars are not rising as quickly with more upgrades annually.

I still prefer a Z as a car. Even with the current dislikes. But I'm seeing flaws in a lot of areas with progression. I don't hate the new Z because nothing has changed. But in my opinion, nissan and hyundai both fked up the front. I love the Z as a whole and I still applaud the new owners for supporting our car. That's all there is.
Nissan has gone reverse with a lot of cars. The G35 to G37 is another example. But I owned them both. Don't get all hurt.