Which car would you pick?

ZKraken22

370z is my DD. Im 23 tho i dont need 4 seats. i like having 2.

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danegrey

i looked at Mustang GT, put did not like the how if felt inside, too big imo
the others were not considered
bought the Z, for I have like the Z since I saw them in 70-71.
the current version, is what the 240z grew into...

Davey

Car and Driver?

Who cares what those idiots think. The car with all of the electronic gadgets that help it drive itself is the best handling car, OK.

And they said of the Mustang that you couldn't tell it was a live axle... The SRA is it's "best feature." Really? They complain about mid-corner bumps unsettling the Z, but the Mustang, you can't even tell it's a SRA?

But with the Mustang, even though the steering is fairly light (even in Sport mode) and has no feedback whatsoever, and any sort of mid-corner bump unsettles the 1950's suspension with a nice pogo-stick sidestep jump, it's still a great-handling car. What a bunch of clowns.

Really the Mustang is a decent handling car for a 3600 lbs muscle car with a solid rear axle but I want to know how much Ford paid Car & Driver for these glowing reviews that completely ignore or gloss over the shortcomings.

Red__Zed

I always laugh when I see comments like this. You are like one of those wine experts who can "really tell" the difference in quality between that $5000 bottle of wine and the $100,000 bottle. Except I switched the labels

I won't deny that the rear end of the Mustang is prone to waft a bit at speed, but it is largely due to the underdamping. Honestly, anyone who claims they can feel the limitations of the SRA with the stock dampers is full of ****. There's no way you have such a discriminating *** that the subtle lateral movement is evident amongst the mud generated by the travesty of underdamping that is the rear of the car. You call out SRA because you are trained to, like when you are told your wine should have the scent of bananas, even though it doesn't


The reason that every set of objective reviewers that review the two cars back-to-back decides that the Mustang has a more settled rear end in corners is because IT DOES. This is confirmed subjectively and objectively by a host of reviews and measurements. Anyone with an internet warrior's handbook can call out SRA and think they've won, but if you take a deeper look, the ridiculously high rear rate and extreme toe change under compression gives the 370Z a looser backside than a gay hooker (OK, maybe not, but it is prone to coming unglued like a cheap Chinese iPhone) Can't drive with an objective backside? Hook the car up to anything that measures dynamic toe and let me know what you find. I found this quote from a very wise man:



But of course, let's take the approach that Ford had to pay for that finish. Had to sneak in to get their spot, despite laying the hottest lap time. Had Ford and Mitsu played fair, I bet the 370Z would be sitting on top the podium. Seems logical




[Somewhat in the defense of conspiracy theorist, I personally think C&D moved the Mustang & 370Z back in the rankings simply to give the appearance of being lap-time agnostic like they claimed...basically, they overcompensated to "prove" lap times didn't matter. But that is just my crazy theory]

Davey

Easy there, buddy... You don't sound like you're laughing to me.

Maybe before you went all keyboard commando because you were butthurt I said something negative about your glorious Mustang, you should have take a deep breath, relaxed, and read what I wrote objectively.

I said it handles well, but you can certainly tell it's a solid rear axle... And you can. Or at least, since I learned to drive in heavier cars with live axles and drove them for years, and recall what they felt like, the Mustang brings back faint memories of 1970's GM handling that weren't all that welcome, which I, perhaps incorrectly, attribute to the SRA. But whatever the reason, the handling is far from flawless.

It does float a bit, it does take some time to "set" into a corner, and it does feel a little odd when changing directions quickly or over mid-corner bumps. Is it the SRA? Is it the inadequate stock damping? I really don't care, I just found it less than ideal, and overall it just didn't feel as great to me as I thought the magazines have implied.

And I said that I feel that C&D glossed over the shortcomings of the suspension and car in this review, and made a joke that Ford probably paid them to. Then I said it's a really great handling car for what it is. I mean, regardless of whether those shortcomings are that horrid mess of underdamped whatever you said, or the SRA, they made it sound like it is without flaws, and it certainly is not.

As far as the lap time, well, it's putting down almost 100 HP over anything else in the game so, hey, that's just terrific, who would have expected that.

Have a terrific day arguing about magazine numbers and chassis dynos, I'll be driving my Z.

Red__Zed

I'm sorry, I know sarcasm doesn't translate well through the internet, but I thought the "come unglued like a cheap Chinese iPhone" comment would have given it away. Especially to someone so discerning.

Davey

Sure, I got your sarcasm, what makes you think I didn't? I guess dismissing someone's entire argument because they failed to comprehend your point could be interpreted as failing to interpret sarcasm, especially by someone so open-minded as yourself.

I understand now that even though I've driven cars with live axles vs. cars with IRS and think the Mustang feels like a live axle, it really doesn't, even though it has one, and I just think that because my wine smells like bananas.

This is all making perfect sense now.

Zenki370

Maybe they used some of the left over 5.9 billion borrowed from the Gov't in 2009 to grease palms of the reviewers.

brucelidat

Isn't Ford the only who didn't get bailed out?

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Davey

Yes! And I think they make good cars. Don't get me wrong the Mustang is a great car and I'm not hating on it, but it's not a sports car, and doesn't drive like one.

Zenki370

They accepted 5.9 Billion in 2009 as a loan.... even Nissan did like 1.something billion in 2009. PRobably why we got no oil coolers, fuel starvation and oil temps.

brucelidat

I also think Ford is on the right path now. I am interested in the Focus hatch if/when I need a second practical car. Ford might be the only American brand I have any faith in and would buy. Not a fan of Chevy and Chrysler is a definite no go for me.

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kenchan

dang i'd pick the 370Z by now...

Nismo89

i did it because i didnt want more than 1 passenger in my car, too much distraction and let me have an excuse to let me drive it alone EXCLUSIVE. Plus i wanted a sports car that actually "felt" like a sports car..... sat in a 5.0 and the power was lovely and all BUT the inside of it just didnt click to me and register in my head like i felt a Sports car should have............ When i sat in the Z though, it had the look and the inside of it, fit everything i wanted in what i pictured a Sports car to look. so Z it was.

for me it had to not only have power but look and FEEL like i was in a sports car.


" oh we can take your car....................... wait..... i forgot..... only 2 seats..." >

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whoady4shoady

Considering your background, Id say that the best compromise and bang for buck in your situation would definitely be the 5.0. Id get the BOSS.