This so-called auto-drive feature is non-existent.

I think you are misinterpreting what I am trying to say. By my logic, no twin clutch is not worse than SRM. What I am trying to say is these aids take the driving skill out of the hands of the driver. They are great advancements in technology and I have no doubt that they work better than any human is capable of. I am not saying they are bad features in any way. At the same time I am not questioning your driving skills one bit. My point being that they do in fact lessen the amount of skill it takes to drive these cars. This discussion will never reach an agreement because it is that of opinion. You believe the AWD system is more of an auto drive while I believe auto rev match is more of an auto drive. Are either of us wrong? I don't think so, it's just opinion.

With that being said I still think the Evo's handle better than the 370z whether it be by electronic advancement, AWD, or by the drivers having more confidence in them.

So by that logic... how is a twin clutch not taking the "skill" out of driving ie - shifting? Are you serious? If SRM is taking skill away then so does a twin clutch... I agree that they are progressing towards making driving "easier" - whatever that means haha... but in an AWD car - which was unheard of until recent years - you get all 4 wheels on the ground w/ power... which is also a "technological advance" if you remember that it used to be JUST FWD and RWD.... so could we say that AWD takes skill away from driving? absolutely not... just like that SRM and dual clutches are just the way things are headed... its evolution... (no pun intended :p) ... and it will be widely accepted once it proves itself ... just like AWD did.. just like dual clutches are doing now...

If you are saying it takes more skill to drive an evo at the limit than it does to drive a Z at its limit.. then you are lying to yourself... with all that said.. I do miss my X :(

a twin clutch IS taking skill out of driving, I did not say it didn't. That was actually part of my previous point. I don't think one is worse than the other, they are equal in my mind. Wow, I am really not getting through to you. Nowhere did I say an Evo takes more skill to drive at the limit, all I said is that the Evo does not drive itself. I am a firm believer that RWD is more challenging to drive than AWD.

Ha ha - That you did not imply :p ... no worries tho... we dont think any less of you for having an EVO ... they are amazing cars in their own right... where else do you find something that you can throw 10k into and go Lambo hunting with :p...

Just the same way you think that an SRM / twin clutch is taking the skill out of driving... I believe that an AWD also takes the skill out of driving lol... this is more opinion than fact... but the fact that one is easier to drive begs the question... you are coming through loud and clear... its just that your opinions seem hard to infer info from...

Ha ha ;) I'm a bit outnumbered so I have to stand my ground sometimes ;) I have a GTR too if it helps my case (have to own at least 1 Nissan :D )

Ya, a lot of times I have so much going on over here I don't get to get my entire though out. Half my posts are jumbled up thoughts after thinking about a ton of other stuff.

I think a standard AWD system is different, not easier to drive, but that is an entire different discussion that we won't get into right now ;)

Agreed - lets just say - both have their advantages and disadvantages... I am all for the Evos tearing it up in time attacks and autoX :)

I tend to get into my debates as well ... but I intend no harm by my comments ... all in the name of friendly discussion / debate :)

agreed ;) It's all in good fun and makes for a good discussion. I am waiting to see the 370z's hit the T/A scene more.

Ahhh...Similar to power and weight numbers vs. what they actually put down at a 1/4 mile. Gotcha. Thanks. -_-

haha yeah. i wanted an M3 till I saw the 370Z. I can't wait to see the look on all the M3 drivers faces when they get beat by a Nissan Z. lol

^ better start modding if you want to beat m3's

Evo killer?

Maybe with some driving skills you can possibly be a evo killer yet my friend.

Don't be deceived by those family sedans, they are notoriously fast and driven by hormone driven youngster fast coffins they are, evos...

What are you ... fukin Yoda? lol... you could beat M3s just not the new ones...

Wow...this is still going on???

Here's my .02 -- learn to drive what you have...you'd be surprised what types of cars you can beat...and it doesn't always necessarily mean that your car is faster either...most of the time you were just the faster driver.

Everytime I go to the track, I beat cars that I really shouldn't...but its the nut behind the wheel that should be tightened first!!!

As the saying goes, straights are for fast cars...and corners are for fast drivers!!!

preach.....

to make things a little bit clear when i posted before i was talking about the evo x. it distributes power to any wheel needed to gain traction to make the car handle better. i dont need to explain this to anyone because im sure most of you know this. a 370z does not do that, in fact most of the people turn off the traction control so that their in the control of the car.


about SYNCRO REV.

i learned how to drive stick on my 370z. within 2 weeks i was heel and towing and i was rev matching. i also learned how to dump the clutch and all the little goodies. BUT from the first time i got into the car i simple turned off the S-mode and i havent used it since. WHy? because i dont need the cars computer telling me what to do, i dont need the cars computer controlling each and every single movement that i make with the car. most of the passionate drivers who buy the 370z stick dont even use the syncro rev. the only time i could see myself using that is if im so tired that i cant even move my legs to make my job easier but like i stated before i dont like to use it and thats why i bought a manual car.

the only reason modern AWD cars keep up with the rwd cars is because of the cars computer system. if it was just a basic AWD 100% of the time it wouldnt even be a match for a rwd.

Modern AWD cars = perfect handling for anyone.. crappy driver, professional driver etc...

AWD 100% of the time = under steer, under steer and some more under steer for a basic driver and a great challenge for a professional driver

RWD = hard to drive for a basic driver...... a beast in the hands of a professional driver.

modding? ive tooken a Porsche carrera s... my cars STOCK

its all about the driver



by the way i just remembered something the evo x doesnt even come in stick lol




yeah and the nissan that you own is still computer controlled lloll

the evo X does come in stick ... i used to have one :p

not the M.R.

if i were to drive an evo it has to be the M.R. and its not stick

Of course the Lancer Evo comes in a manual.....The 5 speed manual is the EVO GSR. Same engine and everthing just no twin clutch.

This sentence alone explains your understanding on this matter. Lets take the Evo 8 (03-04) for example. No computer controlled power distribution, no ACD, no AYC, etc. By your logic it is no match for a 350z (comparable by production year?) or 370z (modern RDW). Would you really like to put that theory of yours to the test? That reasoning couldn't be further from the truth.


Once again, false assumption. Where many AWD cars are notorious for understeer, it does not apply to every AWD car. In this case where we have been comparing Evo's I think you would be surprised how little understeer these cars have.


Seriously dude? Really?... Please do some homework before you make posts like this.

You're right it is, I guess that means it is also inferior than your 370z. Once again, care to put that to the test? It's a 10 year old AWD system, it should be no match for the modern RWD car that you drive.

Why would it have to be the MR?

Yeah ditto. Unless you want the leather, sst(six speed,fast shifting,can't drive a stick and good for traffic) and the rims which is the only diff between the MR and the GSR. Most evo tuner and mod freaks prefer the GSR bec of the stronger 5 speed.

Hormone driven youngsters? :ugh2:

You have no clue what you're talking about.

I don't know about other Evos, but mine is AWD (permanent 50/50 split)100% of the time.

You can completely disable the traction control in an Evo X as well... ******* thing handles WILD with it off. Don't know what you're doing and you'll sure as **** spin it.

LOL@only wanting an MR.

either way at the end of the day

370z 2 seater rwd much better then a 4 door family sedan tuned up

when it comes to looks its better too so its mostly jealousy comming from evo owners

the evo x was on my shopping list until i heard about the 370z

rwd 2 seater is a better choice in a sports car then a 4 door awd sedan

ill stick to my opinion and you stick to yours.

whats a sadan?

Problem with your opinion, Armen, is its based off junk you don't understand.

Don't come to a debate if you don't even understand the vehicles you're debating. Seriously? Evo's are Auto-only, now?
Now that you're knowledge about an Evo's handling has been proven far inferior, you're back peddling right into the, "Well, at least the 370 LOOKS better" angle. So if RWD is superior than AWD, then FWD should be horrible, right? How did a FWD Cobalt kick some Ralliart/WRX ***? Better yet, how did the Cobalt SS/TC do so well in Car and Drivers 2008 Lightning lap? It almost beat every single car that was in the next class ABOVE it! All in the far "inferior" FWD.

The long and short of all this is, there far more that goes into a car than you understand. Its not always about the drive line configuration and nothing but. You barely know how to drive stick and you think you can make claims like yours?

^ Good post.

wow! just noticed this thread... at first I thought it was a journal for a dude investing in his 370z... now i see it is a p'ing match on whether srm sucks and evo vs 370... two arguments that will rage on for eternity! hope that OP is okay with us p'ing on his journal! guess he deserves it some for picking that name!!!

so, back on topic... evo_killer, nice job so far with the mods! what are you planning next??? if you're headed for the track, going to need to work on the brakes

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How dare you try to bring sensibility and sanity to this thread sir. Kidding, kidding. Good job.

thanks... not trying to lecture, some insightful points being made and I love learning about the evo... and ryan's car is BAD-***!... but also want to know about lance's build! :)

when i said that the evo x is auto i was talking about the mr not the gsr. if you know so much about the evo then you should have realized that:shakes head:

Thanks Dude!

Ryans car is super bad @ss!!!! Maybe he'll give me a Killer deal on some Volk RE30 in Machine Black.:tup:

Just picked up some HKS hipermax III Coil Overs and the coolest toy ever. A Magden M1.b Performance Computer!!! Its keeps track of dynamic horsepower, engine temps, and all other kinds of cool sh*t. It was featured in the new Fast & Furious movie. Steven at Ampliified hooked me up!!! (Thanks again Dude!!) I can't wait for delivery and install. I will get some pics asap.

Brakes are next. Any suggestions???

Yes...

http://www.the370z.com/brakes-suspen...installed.html

Since your car is new, you should be able to find a G37 or non-sport buyer for your existing akebonos, which helps offset the price of this kit. Alternative is to spend a little less money and try to mix and match parts from different vendors, e.g., COZ may soon be selling 2-piece light weight slotted rotors that go with the sport package. And of course if you go that route, you'll need upgraded pads, fluid and probably need to add ducting if you're going to track the car. The AP Racing brakes I have don't seem to need any ducting, but I'll prob do that anyways.

out of curiosity, why the grounding kit? understood that to be more of an automatic transmission thing

why not....
Looks cool...
Can't hurt....

And I was high on T3's when I ordered all that stuff....

Dude, seriously? Lol. How's someone going to assume you meant *only* the MR when you make a blanket statement like "Evo Xs only come in auto".. Huh? Where is that telling me or anybody else you meant only MR models?

Just stop digging the hole deeper, we're all mostly adults around here; man up, admit you didn't bring enough facts to this debate and we'll respect you for admitting so.

But to keep my post on topic, nice car OP! :p

Hey Evo_Killer how much WHP do you have with this set up?

well if you think about the statement "the evo x doesnt even come in stick" and you ask your self why would someone say that you should come to a conclusion that i must be talking about the mr. :tup:




im also wondering how much RWHP does the op's 370 have as of now