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WTF are you talking about?
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You must be smoking some VERY good **** to think a Z has better bang/buck than an Evo.

Sick Evo Ryan.

Tony (did not type in all caps)

Depends on what you are looking for. If you are talking about performance/tunability only then yea the evo is the better value. But if you consider things like ride comfort, navigation, homelink, etc as well as performance, then the 370z is the better value.

Honestly Evo is almost always a better bang for the buck EXCEPT when it comes to handling...

Handling - 370 better bang for the buck
Power / tuning - hands down evo
Looks / interior / luxury - wash between the two...

Having had both i would say that the EVO is better in almost everything but LOOKS. Handling is a wash.. but with a TT kit the Z will be better in everything.

you can't be serious...

Just because the Evos computers make each turn you take feel seamless... it DOES not mean that its better than the Z. If you had the same amount of power in both cars... and similar suspension mods done... I have a feeling a Z will be getting better numbers in almost any track. AWD is nice.. but im over it... I want something that makes me feel like I am the one doing the driving not the car itself...

Where did you get your license plate frame?. And did you buy the car with tints?

I bought my plate frame from thezstore.com. Great guys over there!!!

The tint I had done. Its 35%.

As for the z/evo in looks department, the Z wins hands down. The cheap Lancer looks almost (ALMOST!!!) the same as the Lancer Evolution. Nothing looks like the 370. Pure SEXYNESS!!!

doesnt the stillen underdrive not have a harmonic dampener?

"But for a street-driven car, one that you might want to last a couple of hundred thousand miles, we do not recommend using a pulley without a harmonic dampener"

Tip 11: Crank Pulleys

Ok dude....chill out....take a breather. You're taking this way to seriously. Let's act like grown men here.

I was simply expressing my opinion and reason for picking the Z over the EVO X. I wasn't knocking on EVOs. EVOs/STIs both are great cars as well -- AWD, 4-banger turbo, brembos, etc. The Evo has the S-AYC, and Recaros which is great. They handle really well in all conditions.

The sport 370 on the other hand also comes with huge a$$ brakes as well, stellar lookin 19" forged Rays, here's the biggie....the world's first rev-matching tranny...pure genius. the fact that you never have to take the keys out of your pocket to unlock the doors and start the ignition is awesome. It also has a nice subtle rear spoiler. It's a 'true' sports car -- 2 seater, RWD. It too handles really well.

The Z however has a much nicer upscale interior than the EVO. Again, that's my opinion. And the car over all has a much sexier look appeal to it than the EVO. Once again, my opinion. Also, the EVO X doesn't have a 6MT, which sucks when cruising at high speeds. EVOs don't come standard with HIDs, which is a minus for me....come on, if I'm going to spend around 30K, at least you could give me a decent set of headlights. The only way to get them is by purchasing/installing the SSS package (Sight, Spoiler, Sound). Plus, this is the 21st century....every car over 25K should have HIDs.

The words "better band for the buck" is straight up personal opinion. So get over it.

For my case the best bang/buck is the evo x, I got my fully loaded GSR for 31k 0 percent for 60 plus the four doors is really comes handy at times. If i didn't get that deal i would have bought the 370z.

I totally agree on the evo not having 6 speed, the engine is pretty loud during HWY cruise. But i would rather have the stronger 5 speed because mitsu did put a 6 speed on the ix MR but it was weak and people who put power on their evo were breaking them.

What i hate about the evo though is the interior sucks compare to the 370z, alot of clunking sounds especially wen it's cold i think it's because of the awd, notchy transmission specially 2nd and 3rd, lol its a dude magnet I haven't got a compliment from any females yet I usually get compliment from car guys. Seems like every muscle car, civics and srt4 have it for me revving at me all the time. EVO is also notorious for having a weak clutch, well a stage 2 exedy should take care of that problem also my evo x has a rough idle right now because of the shitty factory tune, i need to visit GST for my tune.

Lol seems like i hate my evo, but everytime i get out of the car there's always a smile in my face:happydance:.

Agreed, I won't even think about a car without hid's...

I don't keep my keys in my pocket anymore since the pushbutton.. found that a d-clip on a belt loop works better... I was always hunting for my keys whenever I stopped the car to make sure that I didn't leave them inside. It did open up room to pocket carry my revolver though.

I won't touch a mitsubishi. I've seen TOOOOOOOooooo many people have issues with them. Hell, show me a 3000gt that is still on it's first engine and transmission, and I'll show you a car that sits in a showroom all day.

its much easier to increase the horsepower on a car that comes turbo charged out of the factory compared to a car that is not. thats where the evo gets its advantage but if someone put in a tt kit on the 370 the evo would be history.

tt kit+370z = bye bye evo

Have you ever driven an Evo? The car does not drive itself. If you had the same amount of power?.... This isn't a "what if" analysis, it's factual. You have to compare the 2 cars as they are. Have you driven your Z on a track? If you have been on the track with either of these cars you would find out real fast the difference between them. The Z's are not outrunning the Evos. In fact the Evos are the fastest cars in time attack right now, period. I am around these cars all day long. I like the Z on many more levels. MUCH nicer car in my opinion. However, better handling than an Evo? Not the case in any way.

Bench racing is fun. If a 370Z had 1001HP, I bet it'd DESTROY the Veyron!

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This thread is starting to sound just like an oil thread.

^^ haha...really. This is supposed to be some guy's journal...hehe. Instead, it turned out to be a topic of serious debate.

Its ok, he's participating.

You kinda have it coming when you make a name like that.

I think I'm changing my screen name to "The Winnebago Killer" :tup:

Bring it on!

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I keed...I keed....:p

I bet if that thing had the same power to weight ratio the 370 has, it'd be a drivers race.

If you added the right mods and had it tuned by "X", it would smoke the 370z because it has bigger displacement. And the wifey could make sammiches in the back while you're doing it!

mmmm, sammiches.....

mmmmm, Wifey......

its much easier for an average driver to drive a 4wd evo that has a computer telling it what to do every milli second then a rwd 370z.

i know if i was on a track right now i would be able to get a better time with an evo then a 370 but thats because im just an average driver and im not able to push a rwd car with the traction control off to its limits. But if a professional racing driver is doing the driving and its a stock 370 vs a stock evo the 370 would get a better time

All this talk makes me still want an Evo... Would love it as a project car. To bad they are stupid expensive in Canada.

Got some new toys... Check em out.

the Jspec tails look really sexy. wonder what they look like on red

You really need to do your homework. Explain to me where and how a computer is telling the driver what to do in an Evo? I own 2 Evo's and have not seen this. Should I go back to the dealership and complain that my cars didn't come with this self driving software? You may want to go and drive one before you make incorrect assumptions about the car. There is nothing on the Evo that drives itself nor is there a computer that tells you what to do. I think the 370z's rev-matching feature makes it drive itself more than an Evo does. :rolleyes: I'll keep your assumptions about Z's being faster around the track in mind as the Evo's continue to tear up time attack events across the country.

Ryan - most people here have never even been on a track before, and are stuck on the mindset that RWD will always be optimal and AWD is inferior with equal drivers behind the wheel. Let the bench racing begin.

Hey Ryan... i dont know if you have driven an X before but what armensti said could not be closer to the truth... there are "drive assist" computers working always in the case of the X. It modulates power to each wheel based on turn in angle and what not... the car IS helping you drive and gives you a perception of going through a turn a lot smoother and faster (it is this way all the way up to the limit of the car ... and when you pass the limit and the computers start tripping out - you get into accidents)... All he was saying is the following - w/ an AWD you get tricked into a false sense of security - but essentially the car is doing the work that the driver should be doing hence you countersteer less etc etc... w/ a RWD... you gotta do the work...your diff can only help so much.

I can honestly say... driving the evo x made me MUCH crappier at driving any other car- even my G35 when I had both. It was noticeable to the point where my friends would tell me that I used to be better at driving my G before my Evo... Now that I dont have my X anymore - im back to RWD land and they tell me that now they notice the change ... driving isnt so sloppy...

So, if the EVO X has computers to modulate power being put down to the wheels....what would we call SyncroRev Matching?

Some think these things dull the driving experience. Others think there is nothing wrong with it. Its a debate that will continue forever.

I have indeed driven an X and I know what you are referring to. My original argument was of the 8/9 but in the case of the X I believe you are referring to the AYC System. One of us should have clarified which model Evo was being used as my comments were originally directed for the 8/9. However, where you may have assists on the X, etc it does not modulate what the car is and is not capable of. I don't feel it drives the car for you, although I will admit I can see that point of view. The statement that lead to this entire discussion was that the "370z handles better than the Evo" So from this point of view the Evo (X in this case) with all the driver assists would still handle better than the 370z correct?

Well said. I know countless drivers, some of them my friends, who don't know how to rev match, heel-toe, etc. Having a Rev Matching feature eliminates the need for this skill altogether. In my opinion if you don't know how to rev match you don't know how to properly drive a manual transmission. I see the rev matching feature more as driving the car for you than having computers that are calculating your pitch.

If you're talking about the vehicles being stock, what tool or process would you use to measure handling?

How about same driver around the same track? 2 equally good drivers around the same track? You can measure it however you want. 2 comparisons have been mentioned. Stock and modded, but the same mods to both cars.

However... my personal opinion (sorry not trying to pick on you OP as you have already explained your name!) is that if you make a name such as "fill in the blank killer" you need to be prepared to take on any car you are calling out in your current state regardless of what the opposing car has done. So if you are stock and say in this case the Evo is modded you can say it is not fair, but you're the one who made the name so you should be able to back it up. Just my opinion.

I meant like lateral G's and slalom speeds. Things like that. Would that be accurate at all to show which car handles better?

I would like to be educated on the topic if you don't mind.

On paper yes, you could do it that way. However I have found that while those tests are directly reflected to a cars handling they do not tell everything. I have always preferred track testing to see how a car performs.

In an average drivers hands - the X / other evos will give you more confidence to push the car harder - with a RWD car... you will have to build that confidence over time and learning... by your logic... a twin clutch is way worse than a SRM system correct? Honestly - I can revmatch all day long and heel toe till the cows come home... but there is a certain awesome feeling you get when the car does it so amazingly well that you feel it would be stupid to try and be as good as the computer can. However - this does not stop me from turning off my SRM for spirited runs where I feel I need to stay sharp for when I want to drive other cars.. but its much less of a "auto-drive" feature than the AWD systems seen in the Evos / STis