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-   -   Fr-s/ Brz. > 370z? (http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discussions/57163-fr-s-brz-370z.html)

shadoquad 07-02-2012 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 1802635)
dealers are not supposed to mark up the Scion but take alook....
Hey, it's like I said. They'll try markup right now, because the vehicle is hot. There is buzz about it. A fool and his money are soon parted.

cossie1600 07-02-2012 03:11 PM
it happened with370. mustangs too..

daisuke149 07-02-2012 03:11 PM
thats a good point. Scion is supposed to be no haggle no price changes dealerships. IF any dealer attempts to mess with the prices, you can call Scion corporate and they are "supposed" to do something about it.

cossie1600 07-02-2012 03:17 PM
reminds me of the scumbags who tried to add a mandatory $1000 paint sealant charge Toyota tried to charge me when I bought my Prius. I reported them to the DMV right after

owi1kenobi 07-02-2012 03:25 PM
my mini cooper S can beat that plus it's a front wheel drive.

neko 07-02-2012 03:27 PM
The FRS/BRZ are great sports cars for budgets under $28k. They should be be in the same class as the Miata (RWD and same performance).

IMO the 370z is in a different class of cars than the FRS/BRZ.

Comparing the FRS/BRZ to a 370Z is like comparing the 370Z to a C6 Vette. Different classes all together.

I think the Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec is more comparable to the Z. But thats just my opinion. :tup:

kenchan 07-02-2012 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by owi1kenobi (Post 1802681)
my mini cooper S can beat that plus it's a front wheel drive.
if it doesn't self combust before the race.

kenchan 07-02-2012 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1802646)
thats a good point. Scion is supposed to be no haggle no price changes dealerships. IF any dealer attempts to mess with the prices, you can call Scion corporate and they are "supposed" to do something about it.
huh, just like carmax? interesting...

shadoquad 07-02-2012 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by neko (Post 1802682)
The FRS/BRZ are great sports cars for budgets under $28k. They should be be in the same class as the Miata (RWD and same performance).

IMO the 370z is in a different class of cars than the FRS/BRZ.

Comparing the FRS/BRZ to a 370Z is like comparing the 370Z to a C6 Vette. Different classes all together.

I think the Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec is more comparable to the Z. But thats just my opinion. :tup:
And the GenCoupe 2.0T is comparable to the FRS/BRZ

But people compare Z's to C6 Vettes here all the time, or Mustangs, or Miatas... I see nothing wrong with comparing performance cars.

kenchan 07-02-2012 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1802688)
And the GenCoupe 2.0T is comparable to the FRS/BRZ

But people compare Z's to C6 Vettes here all the time, or Mustangs, or Miatas... I see nothing wrong with comparing performance doors
fixed

b1adesofcha0s 07-02-2012 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1802696)
fixed
There is no competition when it comes to Miata doors. :roflpuke2:

daisuke149 07-02-2012 03:47 PM
Miata door loses to a gun...

http://benautobahn.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=490&h=275

UNKNOWN_370 07-02-2012 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1802568)
:iagree:
Didn't the Z outclass the RX8 in handling by a longshot in the 09 C&D article where they compared to the 135I, solstice turbo, Rx8 and Z?

Red__Zed 07-02-2012 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1802662)
reminds me of the scumbags who tried to add a mandatory $1000 paint sealant charge Toyota tried to charge me when I bought my Prius. I reported them to the DMV right after
wat

Cmike2780 07-02-2012 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Evofusion (Post 1802503)
I had an RX-8 and the handling felt **much** better than my 370 :rolleyes:

Please don't judge a car by power alone, the rx-8 was the best handling car i've ever owned. Sure the power sucked, and I used to get like 14 mpg, but i'll be damned if I say I don't miss that car. Don't regret it one bit.

Oh and yes, it's the only "sports" car in which the back seats were actually usable...
I'm not. I wouldn't say it was better though, the RX-8 def felt lighter and was much 'easier' to drive. A lot more balanced, that's for sure and def handled better than the 350z. The 370's steering feels heavy by comparison. The lack of power and torque really put a damper on an otherwise great car. I see them racing the RX-8's on the Rolex Sports Car series and makes me wonder what could have been had they used the 20B like in the race cars.

shadoquad 07-02-2012 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1802717)
This must be photoshopped

dastaco 07-02-2012 03:54 PM
9 pages of everyone saying the same thing. I love the internet. :ughdance:

shadoquad 07-02-2012 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dastaco (Post 1802734)
9 pages of everyone saying the same thing. I love the internet. :ughdance:
:iagree: but I'm only agreeing to add another post that says the same thing that you just said, so :iagree:

Evofusion 07-02-2012 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1802728)
I'm not. I wouldn't say it was better though, the RX-8 def felt lighter and was much 'easier' to drive. A lot more balanced, that's for sure and def handled better than the 350z. The 370's steering feels heavy by comparison. The lack of power and torque really put a damper on an otherwise great car. I see them racing the RX-8's on the Rolex Sports Car series and makes me wonder what could have been had they used the 20B like in the race cars.
Exactly everything you said. I take it back the the 8 felt MUCH better at handling than the Z, but I still stand by my statement that it's the best handling car out of the 5 sports cars i've owned.

It was definitely for the people who cared more about how much fun you had during the trip rather than how fast you got there.

Either way there's no point about arguing over a car that is no longer in production :ugh2: i'm just saying that maybe this FR-S is similar to the 8 but maybe even better since its using a traditional engine rather than a wankel.

PS. there's nothing like revving to 10k in the rx8 :yum:

dastaco 07-02-2012 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1802662)
I reported them to the DMV right after
Go on......
http://ezrahub.com/board/img/1336618589106.jpg

binary0x01 07-02-2012 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ShinyBlueZ (Post 1801944)
Went with my friend to Subaru cuz we were both interested in the brz, and I would 100% say the brz is direct competition with the fr-s, seeing how the salesman spent the entire time badmouthing the fr-s lol Talking about how it handles like crap and it doesn't feel right the entire time it's driven haha

It was a lot smaller than I thought in person compared to pics. The Z is fine for me but I'm certain my head would hit the brz roof and I'd be quite uncomfortable in it. The rear seats are a joke, obviously. Also, some of the exterior styling is quite ugly and really cheapens the look of the car (like the sharp angled front signal lights, fender vents, or the yellow turn signal right above the front wheel well). Feels like they copied from one too many other cars and mashed them all up (the rx-8, bmws, our Zs).

However.. for the price, especially if I was still in high school and my tastes were a bit less refined.. I would probably be in love with the brz. Anyway, my friend ended up leaving Subaru with the intention of buying an sti instead :tup:

The sales guys were classic though. It seems the Subarus around here are trying to create the illusion the brz is super exclusive and rare, so we were told right away they only had 3 brzs on the lot but they were all sold already, so we could look at them from outside, but not inside. Also, if we ordered one that day, we probably wouldn't even get it until JANUARY.. it's that sought after. The best part was when I asked when they'd have one for test drive the guy goes "TEST DRIVE?!? HAH! THERE ARE NO TEST DRIVES! We can't even keep 1 unsold, let alone have one for demo!" I was like "umm so everyone that buys the brz just walks in and pays for it without driving it first?" and he goes, "yeah.. because people that really KNOW cars.. people that buy the brz.. they know. They just know. No one needs a test drive. If you really want a test drive, you can get one at Scion.. they'll have tonnes of fr-s around for test drive. Just know the experience will be inferior to the brz." at which point another salesman leans over and says, "It's true.. people don't request test drives for the brz since everywhere you look the car is just being raved over and it's known fact at this point the ride is just perfect." :roflpuke2:
Laf

binary0x01 07-02-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by homeryansta (Post 1802085)
this is actually true. They are sold before hitting the lot. People are lined up to buy this car.
I phoned up about it a month or so ago, they said there's a 6K mark-up. It is cheaper to buy a Z as of right now (2009-2012, not 2013 as those have a mark-up also...)

PS:

salesmen are tossers (no offense to anyone on here who is / used-to be one) but I end up feeling like **** every-time I walk out of a dealership.

Jordo! 07-02-2012 04:23 PM
FWIW, the BRZ and FR-S are actually not exactly the same mechanically -- they each have different suspension set-ups. The BRZ is alleged to be firmer whereas the FR-S is set up to have more body roll and over steer dialed in.

Otherwise, the difference is cosmetic or related to amenities.

Should you trade in your Z for one?

Ask yourself if you would consider trading in for a Miata. If the answer is "yes", then yes, because the FR-S/BRZ is as good -- if not better (and more practical) -- than the current gen MX-5

If you said "no", wait to see if a factory boosted option (e.g., the Gazoo twincharged prototype) becomes available. Then we'll have a good alternative to the Z at the same price point.

binary0x01 07-02-2012 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Evofusion (Post 1802531)
It's not just that, I could take a curve going 100mph+ and the car felt very stable, predictable.

I would never do that in my s2000, and i've yet to take the same turn in the Z, but I can already tell you I probably wouldn't push this car like how i did the rx8 :driving:
Just because it is easier to do it in one car, doesn't mean you should assume the other two are less capable. Instead i'd look at it as an opportunity for becoming a better driver and being able to do that in all 3 :)

Evofusion 07-02-2012 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1802910)
Just because it is easier to do it in one car, doesn't mean you should assume the other two are less capable. Instead i'd look at it as an opportunity for becoming a better driver and being able to do that in all 3 :)
Sorry I guess that statement came out wrong. I never said it was impossible to do it in the other 2 cars, its just, the rx8 took those turns so naturally, that you literally felt in control 100% of the time.

With the Z and the s2k, the cars felt very wild, kind of hard to describe (im no professional driver or anything)

I guess its something that I can't describe in words sorry :icon14:

djrelic 07-02-2012 05:10 PM
I was a toyota guy for a long, long time prior to purchasing my 370z.

The 370z and BRZ/FR-S are not even in the same class.
I wouldnt even consider WRX/EVO with BRZ/FR-S to be in the same class.

The BRZ/FR-S's main compeditor is the RX8, Hyundia Genesis coupe, and whatever 4cylinder naturally aspirated cars are out there. I'd even peg it with a VW GTI, cause the GTI's are around 200HP still even with a turbo.

Believe it or not, I was actually going to buy a FR-S. That was until I seen the weight to power ration and the fact that Toyota would only release it under the Scion brand in the USA. Then I thought hey I will get the BRZ. But then I thought, do I really want to dump about $30K into a Subaru BRZ, that some stupid kid about 17 years old is driving with a Scion badge on it? Not to mention, that it is rare to see 370z's as it is, and you will see a whole slew of scion's on the road in the next few months.

If they atleast turbo charged that engine on the Subaru side. I would be all for it and would even be on this forum. But I believe I made a wise decision in getting the 370z, because it has continious years of inspiration and devolopement. The GT800's that were sold have gaps in the years of productions. Toyota and Subaru did spend a great deal of R&D, money and time into every aspect of this car.

Now, if Toyota comes back out with a straight 6 turbo'd supra. You will see the 370z go bye bye.

As far as Im concerned, stock vs stock. BRZ/FR-S is no where near the 370z, or any 6 cylinder sport car.

binary0x01 07-02-2012 05:28 PM
That supra is a nice car... experiencing an inline 6 TT without getting a BMW, here's hoping that happens at some point.

AKI370z 07-02-2012 05:33 PM
FR-S VS Civic SI maybe lol but not a Z.

Pauly 07-02-2012 06:22 PM
im drunk now

(random)

Pauly 07-02-2012 07:12 PM
did anyone else see the Greddy 600 hp version of this thing on youtube yet?

Cmike2780 07-02-2012 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Pauly (Post 1803135)
did anyone else see the Greddy 600 hp version of this thing on youtube yet?
It's got a Cosworth engine swap.

EazyD 07-02-2012 10:41 PM
will be racing against a Scion FR-S in autocross this weekend. We're both in the novice C-Stock class. Bring it.

onzedge 07-02-2012 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 1803446)
will be racing against a Scion FR-S in autocross this weekend. We're both in the novice C-Stock class. Bring it.
I look forward to hearing the results. Do us all proud.

cossie1600 07-02-2012 11:07 PM
An autox in novice class isn't going to solve anything....

onzedge 07-02-2012 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1803503)
An autox in novice class isn't going to solve anything....
Hmmmm. You sound like a glass half empty kind of guy, a rain on a parade kind of guy, a naysayer. You likely do not believe in Santa either. :icon17:

cossie1600 07-02-2012 11:35 PM
I just have realistic expectation, don't want to burst anyone's bubbles.

shadoquad 07-03-2012 12:06 AM
Here is the solution to the question. Did Shell make a translucent BRZ or FR-S? Obviously not, so the 370z is therefore superior.

binary0x01 07-03-2012 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1803579)
Here is the solution to the question. Did Shell make a translucent BRZ or FR-S? Obviously not, so the 370z is therefore superior.
haha:icon18:

dastaco 07-03-2012 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1803526)
I just have realistic expectation, don't want to burst anyone's bubbles.
http://i.imgur.com/lxX6Z.jpg

Isamu 07-03-2012 12:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1803579)
here is the solution to the question. Did shell make a translucent brz or fr-s? Obviously not, so the 370z is therefore superior.
qft


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