What did you do with your Z today III

KingZee · 04-26-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

Car ok, just took a turn and felt mega understeer. Pretty much the first time I encountered understeer like that in my Z

Good to hear

First time I experienced oversteer was a few days ago on my way to work, I gunned it around a fast corner right before the office in the rain and the back went out a bit, VDC didn't help...only time I've unintentionally done that. The Conti DWSs have given me too much confidence in the rain.

Alchemy · 04-26-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KingZee

Good to hear

First time I experienced oversteer was a few days ago on my way to work, I gunned it around a fast corner right before the office in the rain and the back went out a bit, VDC didn't help...only time I've unintentionally done that. The Conti DWSs have given me too much confidence in the rain.

I actually had my VDC on at the time. It certainly contributed to the situation.

m4a1mustang · 04-26-2012, 11:04 AM

Understeer is a PITA but it saves most inexperienced drivers.

kenchan · 04-26-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Understeer is a PITA but it saves most inexperienced drivers.

i completely removed it out of my G's setup. i drive VCD off in the snow.

car doesn't oversteer either unless i tell her to.. very neutral. i want to do the same on the Z. she understeers a little bit when i push.

ZMan8 · 04-26-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Understeer is a PITA but it saves most inexperienced drivers.

well I consider myself "inexperienced" (no track time, first RWD car)

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i completely removed it out of my G's setup. i drive VCD off in the snow. car doesn't oversteer either unless i tell her to.. very neutral. i want to do the same on the Z. she understeers a little bit when i push.

kenchan · 04-26-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

well I consider myself "inexperienced" (no track time, first RWD car)

i dont track my car but i do know my limits.

it's good to check out your setup in the rain. much less speed needed to find out wat your car is like.

most crashes happen when things are loose on the road...like unexpected puddles, gravel, sand, any debris. driving in downpour will net you a lot of experience.

ZMan8 · 04-26-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

i dont track my car but i do know my limits.

it's good to check out your setup in the rain. much less speed needed to find out wat your car is like.

most crashes happen when things are loose on the road...like unexpected puddles, gravel, sand, any debris. driving in downpour will net you a lot of experience.

I dont drive the Z in the rain anymore, but when I first got it it was my only vehicle so I drove in anything chicago weather gave me. It did pretty well in downpour rain considering the facts (young male + rwd sports car + heavy rain + low visibility + lots of cars =

lol).

kenchan · 04-26-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

Lol, the understeer wasnt that bad. Yeah I really regret not going 265 to begin with. Im not sure what I was thinking.

hahaha, i c.

until you stiffen things up, 245 is fine.

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

I dont drive the Z in the rain anymore, but when I first got it it was my only vehicle so I drove in anything chicago weather gave me. It did pretty well in downpour rain considering the facts (young male + rwd sports car + heavy rain + low visibility + lots of cars =

lol).

whenever i do new setups i always drive my car in the rain...ideally downpours..even though i hate washing and detailing her.

i do the usual... fast(er) take off, hard acceleration while turning, off-apex throttle up, etc. anything that would offset the balance and toss around cog.

onzedge · 04-26-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Understeer is a PITA but it saves most inexperienced drivers.

...hence the proliferation of front wheel drive vehicles.

I finished your sentence for you.

m4a1mustang · 04-26-2012, 11:10 AM

A lot of it is preference, too. Some prefer understeer to oversteer. Generally the idea is to get the car as close to neutral as you can and adjust it from there. I prefer a neutral car with a bias towards oversteer, which is where I am now with the 5.0.

My S2000 is a little like that, too. When I drive it I am turning off of the outside rear wheel.

kenchan · 04-26-2012, 11:22 AM

hummmm.... wish wedsusa (pst) would wake up so that my buddy alex can get his answers for me.

kenchan · 04-26-2012, 11:25 AM

if one cannot control a drift while accelerating from standstill and turning, then one has no business with a rwd sports car.

disclaimer: drive safely on parking lots...

disclaimer: the above dislaimer is a joke.

m4a1mustang · 04-26-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

if one cannot control a drift while accelerating from standstill and turning, then one has no business with a rwd sports car.

disclaimer: drive safely on parking lots...

disclaimer: the above dislaimer is a joke.

It's surprising how many people with RWD cars don't understand vehicle dynamics at all. "I don't understand why the back end would swing out in a turn if I spin the tires?"

It's like the tweens in Civics and stuff that get killed in high school because they think their car can easily take a 35 mph corner at 75... plow straight off into a tree and die.

Here, it's dumb kids trying to "drift, yo." Oops... off into the curb/forest/wall they go. Oh, look, I just got a vehicle risk adjustment on my insurance bill!

kenchan · 04-26-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's surprising how many people with RWD cars don't understand vehicle dynamics at all. "I don't understand why the back end would swing out in a turn if I spin the tires?"

It's like the tweens in Civics and stuff that get killed in high school because they think their car can easily take a 35 mph corner at 75... plow straight off into a tree and die.

Here, it's dumb kids trying to "drift, yo." Oops... off into the curb/forest/wall they go. Oh, look, I just got a vehicle risk adjustment on my insurance bill!

lol. yah, most kids just do crazy things without knowledge of driving, suspension tuning, risks associated with road conditions, etc.

but then again i bet most cars out on the road are running under inflated tires ready to burst when making any quick manuvers...

m4a1mustang · 04-26-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

lol. yah, most kids just do crazy things without knowledge of driving, suspension tuning, risks associated with road conditions, etc.

but then again i bet most cars out on the road are running under inflated tires ready to burst when making any quick manuvers...

Which is why we are all supposed to drive DEFENSIVELY instead of offensively. There are lots of hazards out there.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	A lot of it is preference, too. Some prefer understeer to oversteer. Generally the idea is to get the car as close to neutral as you can and adjust it from there. I prefer a neutral car with a bias towards oversteer, which is where I am now with the 5.0. My S2000 is a little like that, too. When I drive it I am turning off of the outside rear wheel. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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