Nissan Consumer Affairs Oil Cooler Response

spearfish25 · 06-23-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Josh

However I was seeing 240+ during normal street driving and that is too hot even in the middle of the summer.

I did a oil cooler and I'm seeing about 200 during normal driving and 220 during spirited driving.

All of the others cars that I've had that had oil temp gauges never got as hot as this car. This includes some supercharged and turbo charged cars too.

I'm in total agreement. That's why I have an oil cooler sitting on the floor behind me, ready for install.

speedoflife · 06-22-2010, 10:20 AM

If the car's under warranty, screw it. Whenever I get a new laptop, the first thing I do is let it run at 100% CPU usage for about 10 minutes. If it overheats and dies, then that is a manufacturing defect and the computer will be replaced under warranty. Not trying to insight a riot or convince anyone to tear their car up, but if you think that you can kill the engine due to high oil temps, try. Enjoy the car and stop being so worried about it.

Thistime · 06-22-2010, 10:30 AM

What the hell is Nissan thinking?!!

Cmike2780 · 06-22-2010, 11:05 AM

^^^ I don't think its a coolant temp issue if I'm not mistaken. It's the engine oil temp that get pretty hot. Normal driving temp is around 220 for oil, anything beyond 260 will kick it into limp mode. You won't be able to shift past 3500 rpm.

FuszNissan · 06-22-2010, 11:13 AM

I know, I am curious to as he stats 5 hour ride and he is over heating. If you are driving on the highway your will run cooler temps not higher temps. Unless he is in bumper to bumper traffic for 5 hours. Which would suck!

Elia Cid · 06-22-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

I know, I am curious to as he stats 5 hour ride and he is over heating. If you are driving on the highway your will run cooler temps not higher temps. Unless he is in bumper to bumper traffic for 5 hours. Which would suck!

I have not taken the 5 to 6 hr ride yet , not for a few weeks, but i will be monitoring the heat very carefully along the way.

I'm really hoping there are no heating issues on the trip , looking forward to enjoying the car and keeping it a while!

Stay tuned.

Modshack · 06-22-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Elia Cid

I'm really hoping there are no heating issues on the trip

There won't be.

daisuke149 · 06-22-2010, 01:48 PM

well. Just as a reference. my car was at 250 while driving on I-85 (in atlanta). The highest ive seen it when just driving, even compared to in city driving. And this was a month ago when it wasnt as hot as it is now. Even when the guys in Atlanta went up to the mountains for a lil bit more spirited driving, I think the max I saw was 250. So something was up with that highway driving.

shadow2k · 06-22-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

well. Just as a reference. my car was at 250 while driving on I-85 (in atlanta). The highest ive seen it when just driving, even compared to in city driving. And this was a month ago when it wasnt as hot as it is now. Even when the guys in Atlanta went up to the mountains for a lil bit more spirited driving, I think the max I saw was 250. So something was up with that highway driving.

Shift into 6th gear next time!

I really don't understand how people are even getting over 230. Its about 100 degrees here in KC, I've had my car for a year. Not once have I ever gone over 230, it is normally 225 max, and generally about 210.

If you are that concerned about it, simply watch your temps. If the temp has gotten to a range that you are not comfortable with, back off the rpm's. I'd think this would be common sense, but maybe not...

If you have not checked your coolant level lately, go do it right now. I lost quite a bit with no leaks present over the first few months. Less coolant, especially a significant amount, will result in your oil running hotter in this car.

Turn on your A/C if you want lower temps. I know it has been mentioned in other threads, and I've personally watched the difference between on/off. My oil is typically 5-10 degrees cooler with the A/C on the lowest setting.

And finally, if you still don't like any of these options, or it is causing you too much stress...sell the car. Pretty sure most other cars don't even have oil temp gauges. Ignorance is bliss.

daisuke149 · 06-22-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

Shift into 6th gear next time!

I really don't understand how people are even getting over 230. Its about 100 degrees here in KC, I've had my car for a year. Not once have I ever gone over 230, it is normally 225 max, and generally about 210.

If you are that concerned about it, simply watch your temps. If the temp has gotten to a range that you are not comfortable with, back off the rpm's. I'd think this would be common sense, but maybe not...

If you have not checked your coolant level lately, go do it right now. I lost quite a bit with no leaks present over the first few months. Less coolant, especially a significant amount, will result in your oil running hotter in this car.

Turn on your A/C if you want lower temps. I know it has been mentioned in other threads, and I've personally watched the difference between on/off. My oil is typically 5-10 degrees cooler with the A/C on the lowest setting.

And finally, if you still don't like any of these options, or it is causing you too much stress...sell the car. Pretty sure most other cars don't even have oil temp gauges. Ignorance is bliss.

thanks for the completely useless answer.

I was simply stating the fact that yes, on the highways temps can go high. There is no stress in my post. If it gets too high, car breaks, nissan will get me a new one. simple.

Thanks for the tip on 6th gear, i guess i shouldnt drive on the highway at 80mph in first gear!

A/C is always on on. Its Atlanta. Humidity is a bitch.

Coolant levels are perfect. I check every week.

Im glad you never had a problem. but some have. Im just adding information to that.

P.S backing off the revs driving at highway speeds means i would have to go 55mph in Atlanta. Which means people are gonna shoot me when they get stuck behind me. But your welcome to come try it.

And lastly. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean its not possible or that it doesn't happen.

Cmike2780 · 06-22-2010, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow2k

Shift into 6th gear next time!

I really don't understand how people are even getting over 230. Its about 100 degrees here in KC, I've had my car for a year. Not once have I ever gone over 230, it is normally 225 max, and generally about 210.

If you are that concerned about it, simply watch your temps. If the temp has gotten to a range that you are not comfortable with, back off the rpm's. I'd think this would be common sense, but maybe not...

If you have not checked your coolant level lately, go do it right now. I lost quite a bit with no leaks present over the first few months. Less coolant, especially a significant amount, will result in your oil running hotter in this car.

Turn on your A/C if you want lower temps. I know it has been mentioned in other threads, and I've personally watched the difference between on/off. My oil is typically 5-10 degrees cooler with the A/C on the lowest setting.

And finally, if you still don't like any of these options, or it is causing you too much stress...sell the car. Pretty sure most other cars don't even have oil temp gauges. Ignorance is bliss.

We shouldn't have to make excuses for a sports car period! If this wasn't a common occurrence, they wouldn't have made an oil cooler and this wouldn't be an issue. It's not something to stress over, but it shouldn't be something you should have to think about. This should be a car you can take to the track and drive home in. In daily driving, the chances are rare or non-existant that temps will ever get that hot. But under the right conditions, it can happen and thats the problem. Just my 2 cents.

rmorrow · 06-22-2010, 07:14 PM

Folks,
I was really trying to post the common law remedies for defective products, warranty claims, and products liability. We all have different opinions on what constitutes "enjoyment" through the ownership of our 370Z's. I have no intention of putting my car on any track, but I do not begrudge anyone who feels differently. I will be the first in line to tackle Nissan...and I will...if my Z overheats in normal driving conditions, or even if I choose to get a bit more aggressive on the street or the highway. When I say aggressive, to me this means revving the engine higher than normal when shifting for a reasonable period of time or letting it loose on a wide open roadway, or carving up some curvy back roads. I will not be engine braking at high speeds on track corners, or switching the VDC off to burn some rubber off of some really expensive tires. Start posting if you have higher than normal oil temps with reasonable driving, and lets see how many folks have the engine temp issues. If you overheat at the track, just put on an oil cooler and then fight it out with Nissan if they try to "dog" you on a warranty issue. If it overheats because you push it a bit harder than most cars, then Nissan has a problem under WARRANTY OF FITNESS. A sports car with 330+ horsepower, heavy duty brakes, and beefed up suspension is an "implied warranty" that the car is intended (and fit) to be operated more aggressively than your routine passenger car or truck. Nissan had better pay attention to this.

autopc25 · 06-24-2010, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmorrow

Folks,
I was really trying to post the common law remedies for defective products, warranty claims, and products liability. We all have different opinions on what constitutes "enjoyment" through the ownership of our 370Z's. I have no intention of putting my car on any track, but I do not begrudge anyone who feels differently. I will be the first in line to tackle Nissan...and I will...if my Z overheats in normal driving conditions, or even if I choose to get a bit more aggressive on the street or the highway. When I say aggressive, to me this means revving the engine higher than normal when shifting for a reasonable period of time or letting it loose on a wide open roadway, or carving up some curvy back roads. I will not be engine braking at high speeds on track corners, or switching the VDC off to burn some rubber off of some really expensive tires. Start posting if you have higher than normal oil temps with reasonable driving, and lets see how many folks have the engine temp issues. If you overheat at the track, just put on an oil cooler and then fight it out with Nissan if they try to "dog" you on a warranty issue. If it overheats because you push it a bit harder than most cars, then Nissan has a problem under WARRANTY OF FITNESS. A sports car with 330+ horsepower, heavy duty brakes, and beefed up suspension is an "implied warranty" that the car is intended (and fit) to be operated more aggressively than your routine passenger car or truck. Nissan had better pay attention to this.

Interesting.
The brake issue is also a problem.

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

rmorrow · 06-22-2010, 07:23 PM

Sonic370,
They should have put an oil pressure gauge in place of the digital clock, and put the digital clock somewhere else.

WarmAndSCSI · 06-24-2010, 01:51 AM

I'm still concerned with all this. As far as I can tell, my dealership is rather mod-friendly, but if Nissan USA still shoots down the warranty claim at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I went with my wife up one of the canyon roads the other day - she was driving, at the speed limit (40) - and the oil temp reached well into the 230-240 range. Ambient temperature was in the 50's.

That worries me, because if I were to drive the Z on that same stretch - spiritedly, like I do with my Evo - then it surely would reach dangerous oil temp levels. And that would be averaging 50-60 mph uphill in the same temperatures - hardly "racing" by any standards. I'm interested to see how the car does on its first Interstate road trip - we have a lot of mountain passes here. Should be interesting. If at that point the oil temperature is nearing 260 degrees, I'm going to raise a major stink with my dealership to see if they can do anything for my particular case.

We don't really plan to track this car (maybe a few AutoX events), but the roads here really put some stress on any engine when they are driven even semi-aggressively. I think in my case, an oil cooler is needed to keep engine longevity up. We don't plan to sell this thing any time soon. It will likely retire as a dedicated track car - and it would be nice to have an intact block to build up at that point.

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FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 544	I know, I am curious to as he stats 5 hour ride and he is over heating. If you are driving on the highway your will run cooler temps not higher temps. Unless he is in bumper to bumper traffic for 5 hours. Which would suck! __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

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daisuke149 My *** is famous! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 4,849 Drives: 2013 Boss 302 PW Rep Power: 33	well. Just as a reference. my car was at 250 while driving on I-85 (in atlanta). The highest ive seen it when just driving, even compared to in city driving. And this was a month ago when it wasnt as hot as it is now. Even when the guys in Atlanta went up to the mountains for a lil bit more spirited driving, I think the max I saw was 250. So something was up with that highway driving.

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WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 20	I'm still concerned with all this. As far as I can tell, my dealership is rather mod-friendly, but if Nissan USA still shoots down the warranty claim at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I went with my wife up one of the canyon roads the other day - she was driving, at the speed limit (40) - and the oil temp reached well into the 230-240 range. Ambient temperature was in the 50's. That worries me, because if I were to drive the Z on that same stretch - spiritedly, like I do with my Evo - then it surely would reach dangerous oil temp levels. And that would be averaging 50-60 mph uphill in the same temperatures - hardly "racing" by any standards. I'm interested to see how the car does on its first Interstate road trip - we have a lot of mountain passes here. Should be interesting. If at that point the oil temperature is nearing 260 degrees, I'm going to raise a major stink with my dealership to see if they can do anything for my particular case. We don't really plan to track this car (maybe a few AutoX events), but the roads here really put some stress on any engine when they are driven even semi-aggressively. I think in my case, an oil cooler is needed to keep engine longevity up. We don't plan to sell this thing any time soon. It will likely retire as a dedicated track car - and it would be nice to have an intact block to build up at that point.