I understand this is a Nissan forum, and yes the Camaro might be priced up there. Some will think it's worth it, while others won't. Neither parties are incorrect.

However, for many that resort to the whole.... It will pass me on the straightaway, but I'll get him in the turns. <--how many of you that think like that actually get to a track...competitively?

For myself, I got the 370z due to price with options, and the styling/appeal. There are other cars I have owned; 2 evo's and 1 sti that would smoke stock for stock a 370z at most road courses.

Is the ZL1 going to be bad*ss? Yes it will, will it be able to be modded with a smaller S/C pulley + catless pipes + gears, you better bet on it. Cheap mods (maybe 1200 without full exhaust) and probably 100+ rwhp gain like on my old 03 cobra.

After all this, you can't tell me when sitting at a red light with your girl.... a ZL1 pulls up next to you and gives you a friendly rev, that you don't quietly sit there thinking "f*ck, leave me alone".

i would say save 10K and TT the Z, better looking car, and keep 10K in your pocket.

+10000 internets.

Unfortunately, :iagree:

Which is awesome because it's such a great looking car and nice to look at often. But, this is also the reason why it sucks... you just get so used to seeing it...

True...but it's like the 370z nismo people, plenty of 370z's, but very rare to see a Nismo edition around.

Just like with any other manufacturer, plenty of 3 series around, but not many M3's. I don't notice regular 3 series...but I will notice an M3.

:iagree:

I'll give you that.

But... in my city it's rare to see a 370. 350s are everywhere. I could count the 370s I've seen in the past year on one hand.

True..... it depends on where you live as well.

You guys are right...in fact, there's too many 370's IMO..

http://ranger.gamebanana.com/img/ico..._cartman_2.png
Screw you guys I'm gonna trade it in for a Crossfire or Soltice.

Fair enough, but my Z06 would thrash a ZL1, and I don't miss it. Most traffic lights are in populated areas, and even at the ripe old age of 26, I am not into making a fool of myself in such areas. I think that the ZL1 will suffer from the same issues my Z06 did. Namely, that if you aren't thrashing it, it won't be that great. It will be a better "road trip" or "cruising" car, though. However, for the same price, the CTS-V totally has it. Hands down.

The ZL1's interior, to me, is far worse than that of my 370Z, and even with all the suspension goodies, 4100# is going to feel "heavy". I like the feel of my 370Z. It feels very agile.

I don't race my car for my living, so "feel" is really all I care about. However, my car is only about 2 seconds slower per lap on the 1.5 mile Radical circuit at Spring Mountain than a base C6 corvette. That's PLENTY of "go" for anything I need to do.

I really think that after the "OMG ITS FAST AND HAS AN SC V8!" wears off, OP will wish he had his 370Z back.

ZL1:
http://newcarslover.com/wp-content/u...le-picture.jpg

Camaro RS V6
http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2009/0...rs-2010-03.jpg

TOTALLY going to stand out in your ZL1...:roflpuke2:

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Hmm... The ZL1 is growing one me... :roflpuke2:

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Point taken..... and agreed with to an extent. But you have to remember, there are plenty of things svtperformance and ls1tech and many other domestic forums laugh about with our cars among many other imports.

Every forum I have been on, if you win in a straight line, everyone applauds, then when you get beat, everyone gives the same old: Oh I will catch him in the turns, this isn't a straight line car.

I have my own reasons on why I would not own a ZL1, but it doesn't make it any less of a car just because I don't like or want it.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but just about all cars have an appeal for one reason or another. While looking for a replacement for my 135i, I looked at crew max Tundras, and down to the Hynundai veloster or whatever it's called, then everything in between within my price range. Ended up with a 370z haha.

Of course other cars have an appeal. I simply don't understand what it is with the new ZL1. The Corvette would be much more "lively/fun" (Grand Sport loaded out with MRC suspension), and the CTS-V would be much "nicer".

I bought the 370Z because I was tired of GM's interior. The Z06 was a fun car, but on "boring" drives, it was boring. On "boring" drives, my 370Z keeps me comfortable and entertained.

100% on CTS-V, had run by the dealer several times looking for a used 2011' 4-door. But realized was a bit out of my price range still.

People are raging about the Camaro even though it has the same engine, driveline, same suspension technology, etc. as the CTS-V, but check this out...

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/image...san-370Z-3.jpg

http://www.autosavant.com/wp-content...-V-_34879A.jpg

http://automobilecarreview.com/wp-co...-Dashboard.jpg

Which one of these interiors does NOT belong in a $60K car? Sadly...it's one of the one's in a $60K car...I think I see my former roommate's Cruze's steering wheel, btw...

That leather in the ZL1's seat? If it's anything like the leather in my Z06, and it looks like it is, I can tell you that that was one COLD cow. If it's vinyl (the corvette forum thinks its a hybrid of both--leather faced vinyl), it's a shameful man-made product.

Here is my driver's side seat after 3900 miles (I am 26, hit the gym, 5'10.5 and 185#, not some 320# old fat guy who taxes the seat on every entry/exit/long drive):
http://i44.tinypic.com/9097d5.jpg
Passenger seat for comparison...
http://i40.tinypic.com/bhhilc.jpg

Chevrolet can build a smooth LOOKING interior, but touch on it for a minute and it starts to suck.

But, the way I see it, a lot of people who buy the Camaro (no matter which one) aren't looking for something with a sleek, luxurious interior. The Camaro isn't really about that, am I right? No matter how much you pay for it.

In fact, I can kind of see a super sexy interior detracting from the Camaro. It just isn't that kind of car. To me at least. It's like wearing diamond earrings to the gym. Or... like Rambo running around in the jungle in a tux.

Flame on. ;)

That's horrible reasoning. If you spent over 50 grand on ANY car, it better have a sexy interior. Very few can get away with having simple interiors and those are usually purpose built type cars like the Lotus Exige...and it does it to save weight. The Camaro has no excuse. It doesn't have a sexy interior because GM got lazy and they let the penny pinchers decide. Supposedly there will be huge changes to the C7 in the interior department, so it might trickle down to the Camaro. Not any time soon though.

My best friend in CA graduated from Pasadena Art center, his buddy is Sang.... The guy that designed the exterior of the Camaro, maybe he should have designed the interior too haha. Unfotunately he works for VW now.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3183/picture032ww6.jpg

Heartbeat of America......designed by one of my far eastern yellow cousins!!!!

Nice discussion so far.... BTW, where is the OP of the thread??? :confused:

Let me list a few reasons why I'm trading in my Z. 1) I cannot track my Z vert. 2) I live only 90 minutes from Watkins Glen so track days are very easy for me to get to without having to get overnight accommodations. 3) The exterior styling of the ZL1 is great 4) I cannot finance my car plus save enough money to SC it also, so a package is better for me. 5) The ZL1 like the Z are limited in production and you will not be seeing one coming the other way in my neck of the woods. 6) The ZL1 is more than just high hp, it's the complete package and if the hp isn't enough low cost mods are easy to do to increase the hp. 7) Cause I can :driving:

Meh. I still think a lightly used Z06 would be a better track car in spades, since that is what you are after.

Don't know if I could swing the finacing of a used C6 Z06. There is no doubt the Z06 is a great car. I hate the looks of gen 4 vetts.

Hey if you got the money trade it up. I always looked at Camaros and Corvettes as performance bargains but nothing more. They may go fast in a straight line but will lack the overall package when it comes to luxury and performance. They are great looking from exterior nd are muscle cars, But that is it i couldnt see myself in a 50-60K camaro. Thats just me.

Just to be clear, you are complaining about this wear after X miles:
http://i44.tinypic.com/9097d5.jpg

and you contrast with this picture of a (brand new) 370z interior:


http://www.zercustoms.com/news/image...san-370Z-3.jpg
Did you even look at the driver's bolster?

I mean, IMO, the 370z's interior is far better, but showing how your corvette seat wore is not going to prove a point...also, the Z seats are leather-faced vinyl like the ones in the vette....

Vossen I agree about the luxury but you are way off on performance. The ZL1 has true handling capabilities and 580HP is no low hp ride.

A cherry low-mile 08+ Z06 can be had in the 40's/LOW 50's, you think the ZL1 will be cheaper somehow?

My 370Z seats look nothing like the one pictured. I was hoping you wouldn't see that :P

Import banks are not really giving when it comes to loans on used cars. It's much easier to finance $56,000 for a new car than it is $50,000 for a used.

As I've said before I do like the C6 Vette. I've owned Vettes and Camaro's in the past. I had a 69 Stingray vert, 350hp/350ci with a 4 speed and I installed a supercherger myself. Loved that car it was old school bad *** LOL

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I am a huge fan of American muscle! Love the heritage and the history behind the whole reason of owning one of these cars. 60K is a lot of dough for a Camaro!! If you want a great track car buy a base model Z and put about 15K in it and pocket the rest or better yet buy a used GTR and have some fun. That's all I have to say about that!

Both are great cars, good luck.

So I looked up the ZL1 just cause I haven't seen anything for the GT500. Well a fully loaded ZL1 goes for $58k.

Everyone seems to think the next Gt500 is gonna come in around $55k to $60k.
I guess the big difference between the 2 is gonna be HP vs IRS. Do you think 80 HP overcomes IRS?

I think the ZL1 will def. out handle the GT500. I'm not sure how many times the ultimate higher hp or top speed will come into play. I will let you guys know once I have my ZL1 and a GT500 shows up to a track day I'm at.:driving:

Not really. Within the last few years, it's all the same. Same interest rate, etc. Maybe try another bank? I joined a CU and love it. They would finance a 2010 model car right now at the same rate they financed my Z, I believe. Maybe even a 2009.

Curb weight. 4120 vs. 3850 isn't insignificant.

LOL, you're asking a bunch of Z owners for an unbiased opinion on whether or not to trade your Z.

The power to weight of the ZL1 is 7.1 lbs to every 1 HP and the GT500 is 5.9 lbs for every 1 HP.

The GT500 may have a SRA but it has less weight to deal with around the corners and more HP to through at the next straight.

Meh we'll wait and see what happens. My guess is the Camaro will be the best car for people that want the Camaro and the GT500 will be the best car for people that want the GT500. Funny how things work out that way. ;)