Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1591583)

See, this kind of thinking to me, I don't understand. A lot of guys say 4 seaters aren't real sports cars. So then, a GT driver driving a mustang or camaro SS can say, well then your so called 2 seater sports car isn't good enough because I just beat you around the track. Sports car IS NOT how many seats you have. Its HOW WELL a car can perform under a given set criteria. Once a car achieves or exceeds that skill seat criteria. Its nominated as a sports car.
This is why I refain from calling the Z a "True" sports car and I just choose to call it a Dedicated" sports car. My definition of a Dedicated Sports Car is a car with 2 seats and no room for practicality. Does that make it better than a car with 4 seats?? Well if the Z can't beat it then its not better. Plain and simple.
As far as cozy in the cockpit... well that's subjective. Iagree with you there but one mans cozy is another mans cramped.



PS there are Ferari's and porsches with back seats.

Originally Posted by RiCharlie (Post 1593475)

PS I did not know Ferrrai made cars with back seats..Guess I will have to get one for the wife and kids..:)

Originally Posted by RiCharlie (Post 1593475)

Well, to me, maneuverability and feeling of lightness is a part of it all ..and how can a large car be as maneuverable as a small one, everything else being equal? There is also something I just cant express but the small intimate feeling of a two seater appeals to me..something about back seats that reminds me of a sedan..
PS I did not know Ferrrai made cars with back seats..Guess I will have to get one for the wife and kids..:)

Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 1593477)

:roflpuke2:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1594029)

Here's the current 2012 Ferrari FF 4 seater. Have fun.

Ferrari FF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If I had to take the manueverability challenge. I'm pretty sure a ferrari FF can handle the job.

Originally Posted by RiCharlie (Post 1594749)

Hey i am not a 1%'er so I dont know about these things ..but a Ferrari with a back seat! What is this world coming to? :tup:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1595083)

There were 2+2 Ferrari's since the beginning. Reading these posts. I ask myself what's this world coming to??? :facepalm: it doesn't take being a 1%'er to know this. All it takes is being a true car enthusiast.

Originally Posted by DarkJak (Post 1596340)

I'd say that our Z feels like 10% more performance all around vs our g37s. It corners more tightly with less body roll and acceleration feels a bit stronger due to being 3-400 lbs lighter. I haven't taken the z to its limits on cornering much, but it already can take corners a little faster than the G.

Luxury wise, i have the touring package and I prefer the Z's seats. The only things I miss from the G are the navigation (which is very well integrated into the car IMO), the backseats once in a while, and the slightly smaller steering wheel. The Z's wheel feels like its an inch or two larger in diameter. Leather quality is definitely better on the G37, but I prefer the suede inserts on the Z.

In my mind, the real advantage a G37 has is having 4 seats. Whether that convenience is worth the slight dulling in driving experience is more of a personal preference.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1596357)

:iagree:
The IPL, will add 5% to the 90% performance of the Z. It makes corners just as good as our base Z's and the extra 18hp shows its face in 3rd n 4th. Going full bolt ons and a JIC coilovers are the best for the G. With the jic the G outhandles a sport pkg Z.

Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 1596374)

Yea but you are saying you have to add bolt ons to outperform a sport pkg Z. That is not a 1:1 for Z vs G. You are already paying more for the G and more for the IPL and still have to bolt on some goodies to outperform a sport Z? Well let's bolt on some aftermarket goodies to get that 18hp deficit back even on the Z...intake+exhaust. Or for cornering upgrade the suspension on the Z. Nothing against G's I like them. I just like the Z more. If I needed back seats then I would definately get a G.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1591583)

CHANGE SUBJECT. Gripe & Rant.

I have a serious gripe with the Z though. Last night I'm driving on the 161 doing about 78 and I have the radio real low. I decided to lower it to 0 and here my exhaust. Guess what I heard??? Tire and road noise, a slight audibility of wind. NO EXHAUST sound. This fkin car doesn't even sound like a sports car at cruising speed. WTFF!!!!!! I already know this but I'm thinking in my head. You know how many 350z's pass me sounding Mad Brolic on the road on stock exhausts. And it kills me that the Z exhaust is basically... fkin wack!!! Its a terrible misrepresentation of a sports car exhaust. My old G37 had a REAL sports car sound. That sound adds to the driving experience. It really sucks the dedicated sports car can't hold a candle to the pseudo-luxury sports car. Sound is 35% of the sports car experience. And unless you smash on the gas for a complete 3mpg's the Z just doesn't sound good in terms of volume, stock. This is something nissan better fix in 2013. Make it sound like the old 350z again.

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1596419)

IPL looks like darthvador.