Top Gear 370Z v. Cayman article

sensi09 · 06-12-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alan93rsa

The new '09' Cayman S with PDK, PASM and the Sport Chrono package is an interesting car. I drove one last week at a local dealer while I had them check an item on my '08' S. It's the first car I have driven in a long time that I'd take to the track and not mod for a time.

Was the power difference noticeable?

blackbird · 06-12-2009, 06:20 PM

Just a word to the wise, the NISMO shocks, springs and sway bar, on my Z, have pretty much removed the body lean. No dips, no lean. Worth the money. Still 20K less than Cayman.

Sardis · 06-12-2009, 06:40 PM

The new Boxster S with PDK is putting up some amazing numbers considering its specs

From R&T
0-60: 4.1 seconds
0-100: 10.3 seconds
1/4 mile: 12.6 seconds @ 110.2

C&D also pulled a 4.3 to 60 not sure on the 1/4 or traps

-EAD- · 06-15-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird

Just a word to the wise, the NISMO shocks, springs and sway bar, on my Z, have pretty much removed the body lean. No dips, no lean. Worth the money. Still 20K less than Cayman.

As much as I love the 370;

I just purchased a Certified preowned Cayman S this weekend... 2006, 15,500 miles, PASM, Sport Chrono Plus, Package, NAV and warranty that will run three months and 48,500 miles longer. Clean history, dealer maintained, single owner.

I paid only a couple $K more than a 370 touring +Sport & Nav... I just couldn't pass it up for that price... it just fit me like a glove!

travisjb · 06-12-2009, 07:45 PM

PDK is awesome for performance. Not to start a trannie debate (no, please, no!

), but if it is lap times and 1/4 mile times you're looking for, any porsche buyer has to be compelled by PDK.

I drove a new PDK and PASM equipped 997S a few months back and I was seriously impressed. As Alan said about the Cayman PDK, same with the 997 PDK... It would be so easy to track that car stock, you could almost lease one, slap on some sticky tires and return it 3 years later with Porsche none the wiser... not that I'm recommending that or anything!

alan93rsa · 06-13-2009, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Was the power difference noticeable?

The salesman was with me and the car only had 30 miles on it so I wasn't going to push it too hard. However, it feels like it has more pull in the mid-range.

For more noticeable power you could twin turbo the Z. If you blew it up you could put a new engine in it and still be below the price of an S with PDK

need4speed · 06-15-2009, 07:24 PM

This article was the biggest crock o sh!t I ever read. Look, we know there's a refinement
In porsche that's unmistakable. But the avg lateral g for porsche is .95g where the
Nissan 370 w sport package is .98g. So yeah the porsche might feel better in the twisties but the
Z is holding harder.
And funny how all of a sudden body roll is a good thing. The corvette zr1 gets highest
Praise for its 1.01g and lack of body roll. It always seems that when a car is from a certain race or country they always find a way to give kudos. The corporate anglo U.S. and the Aryan masters
Always make the perfect car. Oh yeah not to mention the brits who's cars spend the most time in the shop. But when the asian car market breaks through. Its always praised in stand alone tests. Then
When its time for the comparo. Its always some kind of condescending compliments yet highly critical
In a negative way.
The asian sports car is always great till it stacks against the american ponies or
German snob mobiles. N no I'm not Asian. Its just my extensive reading of various car mags.
Its insulting to me as a human.
The only reason camry civic and accord aren't beat so hard is because we build those cars here and hold a big stake in the profits. N though performance of those cars have become generic and hum drum.
These cars still receive high praise. Why cuz america makes money off those models. These cars honestly haven't been anything special since 2002.
I can buy a chevy malibu n save money by comparison. The nissan and mazda marks have been giving uncompomised performance and handling in its price range without question.
Hyundai is following suit. But having owned 4 american cars. N 3 japanese cars.
There's no substitute in the price range.
All this is corporate bribes with a subculture of racial superiority.
I have no gripes with any race. But its just an obervation I been noticing for years
When it comes to japanese and asian cars.
Lin the end porsche is a porsche. There will be thingz about it a less expensive car
Won't match. But my observation driving the Z tells me that this car can hang a lot harder
Than they r leading u 2 believe. Don't believe the hype. Test drive both.
That will be my next test drive.

tkindred · 06-15-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by need4speed

This article was the biggest crock o sh!t I ever read. Look, we know there's a refinement
In porsche that's unmistakable. But the avg lateral g for porsche is .95g where the
Nissan 370 w sport package is .98g. So yeah the porsche might feel better in the twisties but the
Z is holding harder.
And funny how all of a sudden body roll is a good thing. The corvette zr1 gets highest
Praise for its 1.01g and lack of body roll. It always seems that when a car is from a certain race or country they always find a way to give kudos. The corporate anglo U.S. and the Aryan masters
Always make the perfect car. Oh yeah not to mention the brits who's cars spend the most time in the shop. But when the asian car market breaks through. Its always praised in stand alone tests. Then
When its time for the comparo. Its always some kind of condescending compliments yet highly critical
In a negative way.
The asian sports car is always great till it stacks against the american ponies or
German snob mobiles. N no I'm not Asian. Its just my extensive reading of various car mags.
Its insulting to me as a human.
The only reason camry civic and accord aren't beat so hard is because we build those cars here and hold a big stake in the profits. N though performance of those cars have become generic and hum drum.
These cars still receive high praise. Why cuz america makes money off those models. These cars honestly haven't been anything special since 2002.
I can buy a chevy malibu n save money by comparison. The nissan and mazda marks have been giving uncompomised performance and handling in its price range without question.
Hyundai is following suit. But having owned 4 american cars. N 3 japanese cars.
There's no substitute in the price range.
All this is corporate bribes with a subculture of racial superiority.
I have no gripes with any race. But its just an obervation I been noticing for years
When it comes to japanese and asian cars.
Lin the end porsche is a porsche. There will be thingz about it a less expensive car
Won't match. But my observation driving the Z tells me that this car can hang a lot harder
Than they r leading u 2 believe. Don't believe the hype. Test drive both.
That will be my next test drive.

Yeh, it seems I remember in some other comparisons the numbers were close.

"to bring the Cayman along to the new Z's European launch. Bringing a gun to a knife fight as it were." This quote right here shows how much they are exaggerating.

desertzrat · 07-27-2009, 05:48 PM

Drove a Boxter S for 4 years. While my 370Z is still too new to push real hard or on a track I estimate I have 80% of the S for less than 1/2 the price. I think that is great value

kekermahoney · 07-29-2009, 11:40 PM

bang for the buck you cant beat a vette, which is always compared to cars 2 or 3 times as much $$.. the new Z is no different, drawing comparison to cars more expensive because it poops on anything close to its base price :-)

gnarf · 07-30-2009, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kekermahoney

bang for the buck you cant beat a vette, which is always compared to cars 2 or 3 times as much $$.. the new Z is no different, drawing comparison to cars more expensive because it poops on anything close to its base price :-)

definitely...maintenance is low unlike a Porsche, they are economical, good looking, powerful...you really cant go wrong with a Vette except for the fact that most owners are larger white middle aged men...sort of cliched...The new grand sport really appeals to me a lot more (Z06 Brakes, Suspension, Wide Body look without Z06 price)..but for the price range the Z is perfect for me...

maggot head · 10-24-2009, 11:53 PM

[QUOTE=gnarf;130766].you really cant go wrong with a Vette except for the fact that most owners are larger white middle aged men...sort of cliched...

Sort of a generalization. People of all races and ages drive vettes. People of all races and ages drive Zs, not just smaller 20 something asian guys.

gnarf · 10-25-2009, 07:53 AM

[QUOTE=maggot head;251089]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnarf

.you really cant go wrong with a Vette except for the fact that most owners are larger white middle aged men...sort of cliched...

Sort of a generalization. People of all races and ages drive vettes. People of all races and ages drive Zs, not just smaller 20 something asian guys.

the Z community is definitely a lot more diverse than the vette community..in my area i see vettes/z06's all the time..at least 1-2 everyday in my commute..i have only seen white middle aged men drive corvettes except for two times..once where i saw a 20 something year old white male in a black c6 z06 and another fellow of similar characteristics in a white twin turbo c5 z06

dalparadise · 10-25-2009, 02:13 PM

[QUOTE=gnarf;251360]

Quote:

Originally Posted by maggot head

the Z community is definitely a lot more diverse than the vette community..in my area i see vettes/z06's all the time..at least 1-2 everyday in my commute.

Same here in Houston. I have a 25-mile commute and see 2-3 different C6 Vettes every day. They are just too common. I see, on average, 1 370 per week. That will increase, I'm sure, but strangely enough, based on 350Z sightings (about 3-4 per week on my commute), I think the Z is much less an "everyman's car" than the Vette. Strange, considering how difficult a Vette is to live with as a DD and the cost of entry. You'd think it would be the other way around.

travisjb · 07-30-2009, 11:31 AM

Um, well, I got around a GTR at Phoenix Intl Raceway about 3 months ago after following closely behind it for a few laps... so, YES WE CAN!

It was DE4 and the GTR driver had plenty of experience at PIR, so hard to pin it on rookie driving

Posted here: Third trackday! All is good!
"... and here's the best part ! I think I got a lot of attention in the fourth and final session when I hung with a GTR for two laps and then PASSED IT ! Corner workers were clearly pleased... I managed to get about 10 car lengths ahead before the session ended..."

My point is that the stock 370z (with an oil cooler!) is really not far off the GTR as a track car. And a prepared 370z IMO is a better track car.

06-12-2009, 06:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 17	Body lean =0 Just a word to the wise, the NISMO shocks, springs and sway bar, on my Z, have pretty much removed the body lean. No dips, no lean. Worth the money. Still 20K less than Cayman.

06-12-2009, 07:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	PDK is awesome for performance. Not to start a trannie debate (no, please, no!), but if it is lap times and 1/4 mile times you're looking for, any porsche buyer has to be compelled by PDK. I drove a new PDK and PASM equipped 997S a few months back and I was seriously impressed. As Alan said about the Cayman PDK, same with the 997 PDK... It would be so easy to track that car stock, you could almost lease one, slap on some sticky tires and return it 3 years later with Porsche none the wiser... not that I'm recommending that or anything! __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

07-30-2009, 11:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	Um, well, I got around a GTR at Phoenix Intl Raceway about 3 months ago after following closely behind it for a few laps... so, YES WE CAN! It was DE4 and the GTR driver had plenty of experience at PIR, so hard to pin it on rookie driving Posted here: Third trackday! All is good! "... and here's the best part ! I think I got a lot of attention in the fourth and final session when I hung with a GTR for two laps and then PASSED IT ! Corner workers were clearly pleased... I managed to get about 10 car lengths ahead before the session ended..." My point is that the stock 370z (with an oil cooler!) is really not far off the GTR as a track car. And a prepared 370z IMO is a better track car. __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

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06-12-2009, 06:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sardis Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 72 Drives: EX Z Owner Rep Power: 17	The new Boxster S with PDK is putting up some amazing numbers considering its specs From R&T 0-60: 4.1 seconds 0-100: 10.3 seconds 1/4 mile: 12.6 seconds @ 110.2 C&D also pulled a 4.3 to 60 not sure on the 1/4 or traps

06-15-2009, 07:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
need4speed Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: tx Posts: 199 Drives: 08 altima 3.5se Rep Power: 17	This article was the biggest crock o sh!t I ever read. Look, we know there's a refinement In porsche that's unmistakable. But the avg lateral g for porsche is .95g where the Nissan 370 w sport package is .98g. So yeah the porsche might feel better in the twisties but the Z is holding harder. And funny how all of a sudden body roll is a good thing. The corvette zr1 gets highest Praise for its 1.01g and lack of body roll. It always seems that when a car is from a certain race or country they always find a way to give kudos. The corporate anglo U.S. and the Aryan masters Always make the perfect car. Oh yeah not to mention the brits who's cars spend the most time in the shop. But when the asian car market breaks through. Its always praised in stand alone tests. Then When its time for the comparo. Its always some kind of condescending compliments yet highly critical In a negative way. The asian sports car is always great till it stacks against the american ponies or German snob mobiles. N no I'm not Asian. Its just my extensive reading of various car mags. Its insulting to me as a human. The only reason camry civic and accord aren't beat so hard is because we build those cars here and hold a big stake in the profits. N though performance of those cars have become generic and hum drum. These cars still receive high praise. Why cuz america makes money off those models. These cars honestly haven't been anything special since 2002. I can buy a chevy malibu n save money by comparison. The nissan and mazda marks have been giving uncompomised performance and handling in its price range without question. Hyundai is following suit. But having owned 4 american cars. N 3 japanese cars. There's no substitute in the price range. All this is corporate bribes with a subculture of racial superiority. I have no gripes with any race. But its just an obervation I been noticing for years When it comes to japanese and asian cars. Lin the end porsche is a porsche. There will be thingz about it a less expensive car Won't match. But my observation driving the Z tells me that this car can hang a lot harder Than they r leading u 2 believe. Don't believe the hype. Test drive both. That will be my next test drive.

07-27-2009, 05:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
desertzrat Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Las Cruces NM Posts: 20 Drives: 09 370ZT Platinium 6 Rep Power: 17	Drove a Boxter S for 4 years. While my 370Z is still too new to push real hard or on a track I estimate I have 80% of the S for less than 1/2 the price. I think that is great value

07-29-2009, 11:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
kekermahoney Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 57 Drives: 370z sport 6spd Rep Power: 17	bang for the buck you cant beat a vette, which is always compared to cars 2 or 3 times as much $$.. the new Z is no different, drawing comparison to cars more expensive because it poops on anything close to its base price :-)

10-24-2009, 11:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
maggot head Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: colombia Posts: 16 Drives: 370z 2009 white Rep Power: 16	[QUOTE=gnarf;130766].you really cant go wrong with a Vette except for the fact that most owners are larger white middle aged men...sort of cliched... Sort of a generalization. People of all races and ages drive vettes. People of all races and ages drive Zs, not just smaller 20 something asian guys.