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it can't be the weight... lets say u have 35psi of regular air in ur tires... its 35 pounds per square inch, to have 35 psi of nitrogen you still

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Old 05-15-2009, 12:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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it can't be the weight... lets say u have 35psi of regular air in ur tires... its 35 pounds per square inch, to have 35 psi of nitrogen you still have 35 pounds per square inch... so its not weight
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it can't be the weight... lets say u have 35psi of regular air in ur tires... its 35 pounds per square inch, to have 35 psi of nitrogen you still have 35 pounds per square inch... so its not weight
35 psi is the measure of pressure, not of weight. 35psi air weighs the same as 10 psi air.
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35 psi is the measure of pressure, not of weight. 35psi air weighs the same as 10 psi air.
The higher the pressure, the more molecules are crammed into the same space, so the higher the weight. But air is so light, at standard pressure is weights only 0.08 pounds per cubic foot, so there wont be a measurable weight difference in the tire. If you had monster truck tires with a volume of 15 gallons, you would add about 1 pound if you pumped them to 100 psi. There will be no significant weight difference with any other gas.

Vs dry air, nitrogen is going to respond to heat at about the same rate as air. As temperature increases, the gas will try to reduce it's density, which when inside a fixed size volume (for arguments sake) will increase its pressure. The water vapor may respond at a different rate, so that may be the only significant difference.

Perhaps there is benefit to aging, but most tires I've seen crack up on the outside first due to the sun cooking the oils out of them.
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There are certainly a lot of completely wrong answers in this thread thus far.

Nitrogen is an inert gas and as others have said, 'air' is 78% nitrogen. Removing the oxygen and insignificant other gases from the tire inflation composition won't do much other than minimize oxidation to the surfaces within the tire. As Chris has noted, the weight difference between air and nitrogen alone will be negligible in our tires. Molecular size is also not a factor for tire inflation...tires are not selectively permeable membranes that would leave you with pure nitrogen as the oxygen diffuses out more quickly (very funny idea though). Nitrogen's molecular size is nearly identical to that of oxygen anyway.

The ironic part of all this is that people actually pay more money (or any money, if you will) for a nitrogen fill. In SCUBA diving, we pay a small amount more to minimize the composition's % of nitrogen by adding more oxygen to the fill. This blend is called Nitrox and usually it's only a couple dollars more expensive...and this is a filtered, clean blend that we are actually breathing. Paying more for an abundant gas that gives no benefit and doesn't need to meet any cleanliness guidelines is really not necessary.

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There are certainly a lot of completely wrong answers in this thread thus far.

Nitrogen is an inert gas and as others have said, 'air' is 78% nitrogen. Removing the oxygen and insignificant other gases from the tire inflation composition won't do much other than minimize oxidation to the surfaces within the tire. As Chris has noted, the weight difference between air and nitrogen alone will be negligible in our tires. Molecular size is also not a factor for tire inflation...tires are not selectively permeable membranes that would leave you with pure nitrogen as the oxygen diffuses out more quickly (very funny idea though). Nitrogen's molecular size is nearly identical to that of oxygen anyway.

The ironic part of all this is that people actually pay more money (or any money, if you will) for a nitrogen fill. In SCUBA diving, we pay a small amount more to minimize the composition's % of nitrogen by adding more oxygen to the fill. This blend is called Nitrox and usually it's only a couple dollars more expensive...and this is a filtered, clean blend that we are actually breathing. Paying more for an abundant gas that gives no benefit and doesn't need to meet any cleanliness guidelines is really not necessary.
Agreeing with Spearfish, the scientist above. I actually, mildly poke fun at any friends when they said they paid $10-$20 for a tire fill. I explain what Spearfish said, and they never do it again. There's always someone trying to make money off of you. You better off buying "Acai berries." He he.
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There are certainly a lot of completely wrong answers in this thread thus far.

Nitrogen is an inert gas and as others have said, 'air' is 78% nitrogen. Removing the oxygen and insignificant other gases from the tire inflation composition won't do much other than minimize oxidation to the surfaces within the tire. As Chris has noted, the weight difference between air and nitrogen alone will be negligible in our tires. Molecular size is also not a factor for tire inflation...tires are not selectively permeable membranes that would leave you with pure nitrogen as the oxygen diffuses out more quickly (very funny idea though). Nitrogen's molecular size is nearly identical to that of oxygen anyway.

The ironic part of all this is that people actually pay more money (or any money, if you will) for a nitrogen fill. In SCUBA diving, we pay a small amount more to minimize the composition's % of nitrogen by adding more oxygen to the fill. This blend is called Nitrox and usually it's only a couple dollars more expensive...and this is a filtered, clean blend that we are actually breathing. Paying more for an abundant gas that gives no benefit and doesn't need to meet any cleanliness guidelines is really not necessary.
You can say that again, try filling with Helium, you will find it does not leak as you would expect, the tyres inner coating is rather Helium proof. So its not leakage. Oh and Helium is softer as a spring medium compared to air.
All you need is dry air.
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Molecular size is also not a factor for tire inflation...tires are not selectively permeable membranes that would leave you with pure nitrogen as the oxygen diffuses out more quickly (very funny idea though). Nitrogen's molecular size is nearly identical to that of oxygen anyway.
As a tire engineer for many years with Goodyear, I can tell you that nitrogen inflation has only one plus attribute for tire inflation, and that is it won't migrate through the butyl lining of the tire nearly as fast as standard air does. We have run tests and can confirm significant reduction in inflation loss over time. Basically, you won't have to check your car's inflation monthly as you should, but maybe only ever three to four months. Nitrogen inflation won't do any good if leakage is from the valve stem or valve itself, and those items have been cheapened up over time. Hope this helps.
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