Oil Overheat IMPORTANT UPDATE

TheWeatherman · 05-13-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

I am more interested in how the process will transpire after this data collection (not even remotely as extensive as real mules). There is a system in place, both culturally and corporate, and this process that can be expedited if someone from corporate Japan is here. This is a fact, not fiction as the true hierarchy of decision-making will not reside in the US.

My rep said the Japanese would be involved. I didn't even ask either. I may have to pay for this and if I do, I do! I'd have to go and buy one anyway. It's just something good for the current and future owners of the car. If they have the option of buying an optional oil cooler, it will be nice. I would've loved that option. We'll all have that option coming up shortly here. All of us know that if we open up our car for just a few minutes, our oil temps go flying up. Patience O' Z fans. I still love my car, even without a cooler.

chubbs · 05-13-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman

I may have to pay for this and if I do, I do! I'd have to go and buy one anyway. It's just something good for the current and future owners of the car. If they have the option of buying an optional oil cooler, it will be nice. I would've loved that option. We'll all have that option coming up shortly here.

I agree that this is looking promising - well done Spearfish and all the others who have shouted from the rooftops of this forum (Musashi, etc, etc).

However, don't get so excited that you lose sight of the fact that currently the car isn't 'fit for purpose'. Nissan will need to do 2 things...

1. make the oil cooler standard on all new cars.

2. offer to fit an oil cooler free of charge to all cars that have been sold without one. You should NOT have to pay a cent and you should NOT have to fight for it.

Hopefully Nissan have already decided to do these things.

SoCal 370Z · 05-13-2009, 12:40 PM

One cannot help wonder where Nissan ran their 370Z mules? They collect reams of data on mules, and for this not to show up as it is has to make you question how they collected their data too?

I still empathetically state that the person coming to take spearfish25's data be a Japanese National from corporate Nissan Japan if we want better results.

370sed · 05-13-2009, 01:19 PM

Do any of you involved know if this will be a slipstream manufacturing upgrade for new cars sold, or will this be on an "as requested by owner but charged for" accessory install?

In2Deep · 05-13-2009, 01:31 PM

I just called Nissan Consumer Affairs, and got a case number myself.
Wish I didn't have this issue.
I2D

alan93rsa · 05-14-2009, 10:13 AM

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Bill gave me the sense that he is very involved and invested in this car. He clearly had a strong reaction to a possible problem and gave me the feeling that when it comes to engineering issues, he's a player in sorting them out.

Not to be overly negative: Prior to retiring I worked as an engineer investigating claims. I was always interested in the problem and made sure the customer new I felt that way. However, the bottom line was if the product met the standard for it's intended use the claim was denied. Frequently I could see their point of view but the material was good for the intended use. That is where the great sea of grey area emerges.

And that is why the people with the day to day issues will be key to solving this issue. If one mentions track in their conversations with Nissan their listening level will be turned down if not off.

antennahead · 05-14-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

Not to be overly negative: Prior to retiring I worked as an engineer investigating claims. I was always interested in the problem and made sure the customer new I felt that way. However, the bottom line was if the product met the standard for it's intended use the claim was denied. Frequently I could see their point of view but the material was good for the intended use. That is where the great sea of grey area emerges.

And that is why the people with the day to day issues will be key to solving this issue. If one mentions track in their conversations with Nissan their listening level will be turned down if not off.

I agree, and anyone dealing with Nissan about this should be discussing their temps on the "road" under normal to spirited driving conditions. It is a sports car, and they would be crazy to assume people won't enjoy it for what it's intended for within the legal limits. Start talking "track" temps and you probably won't get a lot of support. Besides, there are enough of us here that have driven in 90 degree weather now that can support high temps from limited spirited driving. Two minutes of fun, not exceeding 5500 RPM, followed by bumper to bumper rush hour traffic and I hit 260...... not good. In July and August with any hard driving at all I bet it climbs higher.

John

In2Deep · 05-14-2009, 10:45 AM

I would be happy to be a test subject for Nissan officials, here in Austin, where it hit 96 degrees yesterday. I watched oil temp carefully during my drive home (normal driving as always). Avg temp around 225, but with average driving, 20 mins or so elapsed, temp rose to apx. 230-235. I've seen 250, without overly aggressive driving.

I don't believe I've gone into 'limp' mode -- but my comfort level begins to erode when normal driving and seeing temps north of 235-240. Perhaps I'm misguided.

I2D

wstar · 05-14-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by In2Deep

I would be happy to be a test subject for Nissan officials, here in Austin, where it hit 96 degrees yesterday. I watched oil temp carefully during my drive home (normal driving as always). Avg temp around 225, but with average driving, 20 mins or so elapsed, temp rose to apx. 230-235. I've seen 250, without overly aggressive driving.

I don't believe I've gone into 'limp' mode -- but my comfort level begins to erode when normal driving and seeing temps north of 235-240. Perhaps I'm misguided.

I2D

That roughly jives with about what I see. In hotter weather maybe it will be a different story, but if I had a Nissan guy in my passenger seat the few times I hit 260 so far, I don't think he would agree that I was driving anywhere close to reasonable or normal.

In the weather we've had in Houston so far, I don't think any normal driving in normal commuter traffic is going to reach 260. Perhaps 240, but that temperature is within reason. I still want an oil cooler though, and I still think it's disingenuous of Nissan to market this as a performance car and a trackable car, and do press events at tracks with "optional" oil coolers that aren't actually available. I'd have no complaints if there was a $500-ish factory option for the cooler available at the dealer at purchase time and recommended for those that drive the car harder and/or in warmer weather. However, we're months past that point in time for most of us posting here.

In2Deep · 05-14-2009, 01:28 PM

I lived in CA for many years, and pulled a pretty big BOAT up the steep grade going North from Mono Lake -- and never once saw an oil temp like that in a large 4x4 SUV.
Different vehicle, different purpose -- but that type of temp in a LIGHT car with a powerful motor....just doesn't seem right.

Lug · 05-14-2009, 02:20 PM

Anyone suspecting that the a thermostat change might help here? The rapid cooling suggests something other than just air balancing going on here. Perhaps a lower temp thermostat might help alleviate the delta in oil temp.

wstar · 05-14-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

Anyone suspecting that the a thermostat change might help here? The rapid cooling suggests something other than just air balancing going on here. Perhaps a lower temp thermostat might help alleviate the delta in oil temp.

I doubt it, honestly. The thermo on our cars is fully opened up before we even begin to see oil temp problems, and stays that way throughout the oil heatup / cooldown process.

frost · 05-14-2009, 09:51 PM

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Forrest · 05-15-2009, 02:02 AM

Digital Thermastat on car said it was 79degree's outside.
driving 59 mph grandma style puts my oil temp at 210. All straight, 2 minor hills.

This high or no?

FuszNissan · 05-15-2009, 10:47 AM

I will contact my Regional Manager and try and help you guys out. Not every dealer is an idiot

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In2Deep Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 48 Drives: Plat Graphite Spt/Tr Rep Power: 17	I lived in CA for many years, and pulled a pretty big BOAT up the steep grade going North from Mono Lake -- and never once saw an oil temp like that in a large 4x4 SUV. Different vehicle, different purpose -- but that type of temp in a LIGHT car with a powerful motor....just doesn't seem right. __________________ ...and now a message from our sponsors

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Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	Anyone suspecting that the a thermostat change might help here? The rapid cooling suggests something other than just air balancing going on here. Perhaps a lower temp thermostat might help alleviate the delta in oil temp. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

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