2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers?

semtex · 10-18-2011, 07:17 PM

If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument.

they saved about $30 a car by not including it

b1adesofcha0s · 10-18-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

they saved about $30 a car by not including it

That $30 would have put the Z out of my price range........

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

That $30 would have put the Z out of my price range........

to be fair, to keep with their margin call, it would have increased the price by more than $100

11Thumper · 10-18-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by red__zed

to be fair, to keep with their margin call, it would have increased the price by more than $100

70% gpm?

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 08:29 PM

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So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
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The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems.... Doesn't cause a problem in a Z06, why would a Nissan be different?
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On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler. Agree 100%!
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It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.
+1, I might have bought one.

Noticed several members that have already picked up 2012 models, but we still have no cooler details--anyone able to snap pics yet?

Looks like Nissan has gone with an oil to water cooler tapped of the current system.

Edit: page 5 for pics, reproduced here

Credit '10anomaly for the pic

Yay!

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:39 PM

import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 08:43 PM

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import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....

Somehow I just glossed over that one. That is a VERY important caveat. What is the engine coolant system like?

PS. I would ASSUME (I know...) that Nissan tested this, to make sure it would actually do most of what people seem to hope it will?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:47 PM

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Somehow I just glossed over that one. That is a VERY important caveat. What is the engine coolant system like?

PS. I would ASSUME (I know...) that Nissan tested this, to make sure it would actually do most of what people seem to hope it will?

I'm sure they have. But last time they found a flaw, they added limp mode.

I just think the ability to keep revving at 6k after hitting 280 will allow people to go beyond the point of no return.

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 08:55 PM

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I'm sure they have. But last time they found a flaw, they added limp mode.

I just think the ability to keep revving at 6k after hitting 280 will allow people to go beyond the point of no return.

I did not read this whole marathon post, is limp-mode gone!? That's a no-no on ANY street going vehicle...

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:57 PM

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I did not read this whole marathon post, is limp-mode gone!? That's a no-no on ANY street going vehicle...

no, we have no details.

But limp mode limits to 5500 or so at 280, and doesn't limit to 3k until 300. dropping that kinda temp is gonna take a while.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:02 PM

DI would be nice. If they pushed the power that high, I'd swap the subaru for another one.

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 09:06 PM

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DI would be nice. If they pushed the power that high, I'd swap the subaru for another one.

Yep, I think the 370Z would make a GREAT! 400bhp car with the addition of a bit wider tire out back, 395's would suffice nicely.

I'm wanting a 370Z and the extra $500 in my wallet every month, but 500+bhp is intoxicating. I'll get tired of it, though, and trade in a while. For now...

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:13 PM

still waiting to hear back from Z1. hopefully they can give us actual heat dissipation numbers for the rad...nissan won't release them. it will be pretty easy to see where the tipping point is once we know what it can push, with just a ballpark on the o:w: cooler transfer.

Of course, if it becomes an issue, radiator replacements are easy, and air coolers are still available as a proven solution.

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 09:15 PM

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still waiting to hear back from Z1. hopefully they can give us actual heat dissipation numbers for the rad...nissan won't release them. it will be pretty easy to see where the tipping point is once we know what it can push, with just a ballpark on the o:w: cooler transfer.

Of course, if it becomes an issue, radiator replacements are easy, and air coolers are still available as a proven solution.

Rather than some "book number", I think if someone were to take the car to Spring Mountain in NV and flog the piss out of it on a 100* day and tell us how it went, that would be worth a lot more.

10-18-2011, 07:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 55 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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10-18-2011, 08:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	DI would be nice. If they pushed the power that high, I'd swap the subaru for another one.

10-18-2011, 09:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	still waiting to hear back from Z1. hopefully they can give us actual heat dissipation numbers for the rad...nissan won't release them. it will be pretty easy to see where the tipping point is once we know what it can push, with just a ballpark on the o:w: cooler transfer. Of course, if it becomes an issue, radiator replacements are easy, and air coolers are still available as a proven solution.