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-   -   2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers? (http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discussions/44168-2012s-lots-where-oil-coolers.html)

'10Anamoly 10-18-2011 04:09 PM
The part numbers may be off then, but we will get them eventually. I am positive that the picture is right.

kenchan 10-18-2011 04:09 PM
or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang... :icon17:

b1adesofcha0s 10-18-2011 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1365351)
or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang... :icon17:
:ohsnap1: :roflpuke2: :bowrofl:

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1365351)
or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang... :icon17:
I wondered how long that would take for you to one up with :p

Alchemy 10-18-2011 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1365351)
or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang... :icon17:
Ooooh burn. They need to just equip the oil cooler and shut everybody up, especially the magazines.

UNKNOWN_370 10-18-2011 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365271)
Who at Nissan did you talk to?
Head of the service dept at my dealership.

esfourteen 10-18-2011 04:19 PM
Looks like the same cooler that comes standard on the 370 in hot climates (middle east)

kenchan 10-18-2011 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365364)
I wondered how long that would take for you to one up with :p
haha. :tup:

Deadman 10-18-2011 04:29 PM
NISMO 21300-SS370 2009+ Nissan 370z Engine Oil Cooler
Your Price $780.00 *Includes Free Ground Shipping*

Category: Cooling - Oil Cooler
Make: Nissan
Model: 370Z (Z34)
Years: 2009+

Availability: Usually Ships in 1 to 2 Weeks
Product Code: NISMO-21300-SS370

http://www.nissanraceshop.com/produc...70z-21300ss370 0_o isnt this the same part #? something isnt right LOL

b1adesofcha0s 10-18-2011 04:30 PM
That part number is wrong as I stated earlier (I think it was in this thread). It refers to the aftermarket Nismo oil cooler.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 04:31 PM
So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
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The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....
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On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler.
Water cooled systems are going to tend to be more consistent in controlling temps...which lets you keep the oil in the optimal range.

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It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.

Deadman 10-18-2011 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1365428)
That part number is wrong as I stated earlier (I think it was in this thread). It refers to the aftermarket Nismo oil cooler.
sorry didn't see your post.

kenchan 10-18-2011 04:32 PM
780 for that?! :icon17: hahaha!

b1adesofcha0s 10-18-2011 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365430)
So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
*
The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....
*
On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler.
*
It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.
So the aftermarket coolers that everyone has now are air-to-oil coolers, correct?

kenchan 10-18-2011 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365430)
On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil.
:iagree: someone with an air cooled oil cooler mentioned something like his oil temp was steady at 180F on the street.

i'd like to be in 220 range (100C or higher) to rid moisture...

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1365439)
So the aftermarket coolers that everyone has now are air-to-oil coolers, correct?
Yes

b1adesofcha0s 10-18-2011 04:41 PM
So if Nissan does adjust the limp mode, then would that make it more difficult to retrofit this oil to water cooler?

kenchan 10-18-2011 04:43 PM
do we hear from people in the middle east (where this unit appears to be standard for their region) complaining about limp mode from high oil temp? :confused:

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1365450)
do we hear from people in the middle east (where this unit appears to be standard for their region) complaining about limp mode from high oil temp? :confused:
I haven't seen any of that crew tracking their cars

kenchan 10-18-2011 04:48 PM
i can almost see some idiot putting heatsinks on his oil filter and call it an oil cooler. :icon17: does kalecoauto.com sell it?

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 05:05 PM
Gonna do some math when I get back tonight.


Curious if anyone has any numbers for heat dissipation off the rad as it sits, or Max dissipation?

theDreamer 10-18-2011 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365489)
Gonna do some math when I get back tonight.


Curious if anyone has any numbers for heat dissipation off the rad as it sits, or Max dissipation?
Z1 may have some data as they were testing the OEM rad v. the CSF rad to build some logs to promote the CSF rad, I never got the data.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 05:13 PM
I will get in touch and see what they've got.

Pharmacist 10-18-2011 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365430)
hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....
why?

red6spd 10-18-2011 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1365509)
why?

I'm thinking its cause you will be passing your coolant which is suppose to be cooling your engine threw a cooler that has 280 degree oil flowing in it.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1365513)
I'm thinking its cause you will be passing your coolant which is suppose to be cooling your engine threw a cooler that has 280 degree oil flowing in it.
pretty much this. you basically are gonna stop cooling your engine when the oil temps get that high.

serious limp mode doesn't kick in currently til 300. that could be catastrophic.

Guard Dad 10-18-2011 06:51 PM
Looking forward to seeing someone do a DIY retrofit.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1365652)
Looking forward to seeing someone do a DIY retrofit.
will be interesting to see if:
A: nissan will sell it without a 2012 VIN
B: a different radiator arrangement will be needed

semtex 10-18-2011 07:17 PM
If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1365696)
If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument.
they saved about $30 a car by not including it:shakes head:

b1adesofcha0s 10-18-2011 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365699)
they saved about $30 a car by not including it:shakes head:
That $30 would have put the Z out of my price range........

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1365701)
That $30 would have put the Z out of my price range........
to be fair, to keep with their margin call, it would have increased the price by more than $100

11Thumper 10-18-2011 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by red__zed (Post 1365704)
to be fair, to keep with their margin call, it would have increased the price by more than $100
70% gpm? ;)

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11Thumper (Post 1365749)
70% gpm? ;)
their g&a is pretty heavily loaded...i think they load at like 40%

mjg 10-18-2011 08:06 PM
Will these use standard Nissan style oil filters or a new part?

ah nevermind -- i checked.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1364411)
So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
*
The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems.... Doesn't cause a problem in a Z06, why would a Nissan be different?
*
On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler. Agree 100%!
*
It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.
+1, I might have bought one.

Noticed several members that have already picked up 2012 models, but we still have no cooler details--anyone able to snap pics yet?


Looks like Nissan has gone with an oil to water cooler tapped of the current system.

Edit: page 5 for pics, reproduced here
http://www.the370z.com/attachments/n...oil-cooler.jpg

Credit '10anomaly for the pic
Yay!

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1365440)
:iagree: someone with an air cooled oil cooler mentioned something like his oil temp was steady at 180F on the street.

i'd like to be in 220 range (100C or higher) to rid moisture...
You don't need to be above 100C to rid moisture from the oil. Back when the Z06 had air/oil coolers, there was never any UOA's that showed too water in the oil that I recall anyone posting. They ran 130-160* normally.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 08:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1365513)
I'm thinking its cause you will be passing your coolant which is suppose to be cooling your engine threw a cooler that has 280 degree oil flowing in it.
I think you guys will see coolant temps and oil temps that are MUCH more stable than you are used to. In my car, the oil and coolant are usually within 2-4* just cruising. When you thrash on it, oil temps will rise above coolant temps by a good margin. When you sit in traffic, coolant temps rise above oil temps.

However, it is a lot more stable, and I LOVE the fact that the liquids sloshing through my heads are of much more similar temperature, etc. It just seems better to me.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 08:39 PM
import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 08:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365821)
import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....
Somehow I just glossed over that one. That is a VERY important caveat. What is the engine coolant system like?

PS. I would ASSUME (I know...) that Nissan tested this, to make sure it would actually do most of what people seem to hope it will?


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