What else did you cross shop?

FlashBazbo · 05-10-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

You do understand that a 6 cyl Camaro that "has 300 horsepower . . . and costs several thousand less" is also 1.4 seconds slower to 60 and doesn't handle nearly as well, right? The SS is the closer competitor and costs about the same.

For handling, the 6 cyl Camaro is the closer competitor. It's a better handler than the V8 because the engine is lighter and the chassis is better balanced as a result. On a tight road course or autocross course, the LT Camaro is the better way to go. Of course, as I said, neither is a statistical overall performance match for the Z (although I haven't seen or heard of anyone driving a 6 cyl Camaro as slowly as you claim). But from a practical standpoint? . . . Nobody is using the maximum potential of any of these cars on the street. That's why cars like the GTI and the MINI have a fighting chance in this market. It is always more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slowly.

The only reason I'm even considering a Camaro are the visibility issues of the Z, the lack of luggage space for the Z, and the poor customer service history of Nissan. If the Z were to be my only car? It couldn't happen.

But since my wife drives a fogey-mobile . . .

CBRich · 05-11-2009, 09:52 AM

Well, if you feel that 10/10th performance isn't the most important thing to you I'm sure the V6 Camaro would suit you fine. That is if you are placing more emphasis toward visibility and luggage space than absolute performance. And that is totally understandable if it's not a weekend warrior.

Izzoh · 05-11-2009, 02:40 PM

I'm currently crossing the Z with the Camaro SS. Orignally I had it up aganist:

Camaro SS
2010 Mustang GT
Genesis Coupe ( both versions )
Challenger RT
Evo X
G8 GT

sensi09 · 05-11-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashBazbo

For handling, the 6 cyl Camaro is the closer competitor. It's a better handler than the V8 because the engine is lighter and the chassis is better balanced as a result. On a tight road course or autocross course, the LT Camaro is the better way to go. Of course, as I said, neither is a statistical overall performance match for the Z (although I haven't seen or heard of anyone driving a 6 cyl Camaro as slowly as you claim). But from a practical standpoint? . . . Nobody is using the maximum potential of any of these cars on the street. That's why cars like the GTI and the MINI have a fighting chance in this market. It is always more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slowly.

The only reason I'm even considering a Camaro are the visibility issues of the Z, the lack of luggage space for the Z, and the poor customer service history of Nissan. If the Z were to be my only car? It couldn't happen.

But since my wife drives a fogey-mobile . . .

I agree that a slower car is more fun to drive fast than it is the other way around, but then again, 426HP will be a lot more fun than 304HP. Straight-line acceleration does get boring, but it's hard to pass up the extra power.

Unless someone is buying a base V6 with little to no options, it doesn't make sense, at least to me to spend a tad bit more for the bigger engine.

FlashBazbo · 05-11-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sensi09

I agree that a slower car is more fun to drive fast than it is the other way around, but then again, 426HP will be a lot more fun than 304HP. Straight-line acceleration does get boring, but it's hard to pass up the extra power.

Unless someone is buying a base V6 with little to no options, it doesn't make sense, at least to me to spend a tad bit more for the bigger engine.

That's why they make more than one kind.

Back in the day, there were just about always two sizes of "hot" cars in every lineup. The 289 Cobra was the handling/road racing machine but the 427 Cobra was a straight-line monster (Le Mans with its then 4-mile Mulsanne straight was the exception among road courses). The big engine made the car too nose-heavy. On most road courses, the 289 would beat a 427. On most drag strips, the 427 would win. It was the same with Mustang (351/429), Camaro, Trans Am, Barracuda, even Jaguar's XKE had the six cylinder for handling or the V12 for straight line power.

A Camaro LT with upgraded brakes might be the perfect mountain road weapon (among new Camaros). The bigger engine would be a detriment in that application. It's all a balance of weight/handling vs. power.

370z4Steve · 05-11-2009, 06:36 PM

370z with bugatti veyron of course

shabarivas · 05-11-2009, 06:46 PM

haha where is the evo X in that list

?

Pushing_Tin · 05-11-2009, 11:29 PM

2010 Mustang GT
Challenger SRT8 and R/T
Camaro SS
Hyundai Genesis
New 2008 Z51 C6
135

AK370Z · 05-11-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

New 2008 Z51 C6

Leftover 08 Z51 C6 =

very reasonably priced right now. I would drive it!

Even 09s are going for cheap http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-d...chevrolet.html

Pushing_Tin · 05-12-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z

Leftover 08 Z51 C6 =

very reasonably priced right now. I would drive it!

Even 09s are going for cheap 2009 1LT Coupe With Z51 Dual Mode Comp Gray Only $41,499 At Boardwalk Chevrolet! - Corvette Forum

I came very close to buying that 08 model. It was jet stream blue, but in the end we were still about $4k apart in price and I know how fast they depreciate so I walked.

xRUSTYx · 05-12-2009, 12:46 AM

M3 ...
335i ...
G37 ...

Forrest · 05-12-2009, 12:46 AM

My requirements. Daily Driver with "decent" mpg for a beast of a car.

EvoX Or ralliart. 370z. Corvette 2005+.

EvoX looks great, handles great. Price expensive
Ralli art, same as above, price really good. But they both have crap MPG.

Corvette finding a used one with 1 owner is hard and i was getting real skeptical of buying used sports car.
Corvette new, still in my price range but i was not looking to break the bank.

So it came down to Corvette and 370z. I already owned a 05 z and i loved it. I figured i dont need the extra power, i wanted it but i dont think i needed it.

So a new z, kind of better gas milage, decent power i must say. Its the brand i like it seems.

Maybe one day later, i can get a ralliart and a corvette.

shabarivas · 05-12-2009, 01:28 AM

Ha ha you are dreaming if you think the evo X will give you good mileage... I used to have one.. gave me about 12 mpg when I drove it like it wanted to be driven...

Forrest · 05-12-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Forrest

But they both have crap MPG.

my requirements verses what i stated as why i ruled both out.

AK370Z · 05-12-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Educ8r

I purchased a 350 in 2006 and I knew that I would upgrade to the next model. I am slightly intrigued with this

but my next auto will probably be a 5 series BMW.

Rims kinda looks like sport package 19" rays

05-11-2009, 02:40 PM	#18 (permalink)
Izzoh Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 69 Drives: 98 - 240sx Rep Power: 16	I'm currently crossing the Z with the Camaro SS. Orignally I had it up aganist: Camaro SS 2010 Mustang GT Genesis Coupe ( both versions ) Challenger RT Evo X G8 GT Last edited by Izzoh; 05-11-2009 at 02:43 PM.

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05-11-2009, 09:52 AM	#17 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Well, if you feel that 10/10th performance isn't the most important thing to you I'm sure the V6 Camaro would suit you fine. That is if you are placing more emphasis toward visibility and luggage space than absolute performance. And that is totally understandable if it's not a weekend warrior.

05-11-2009, 06:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
370z4Steve Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: west Posts: 231 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 672	370z with bugatti veyron of course

05-11-2009, 06:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	haha where is the evo X in that list ?

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Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 227	2010 Mustang GT Challenger SRT8 and R/T Camaro SS Hyundai Genesis New 2008 Z51 C6 135

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05-12-2009, 12:46 AM	#27 (permalink)
Forrest Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: california 707! Posts: 677 Drives: 09 370z Blk 6mt sprt Rep Power: 258	My requirements. Daily Driver with "decent" mpg for a beast of a car. EvoX Or ralliart. 370z. Corvette 2005+. EvoX looks great, handles great. Price expensive Ralli art, same as above, price really good. But they both have crap MPG. Corvette finding a used one with 1 owner is hard and i was getting real skeptical of buying used sports car. Corvette new, still in my price range but i was not looking to break the bank. So it came down to Corvette and 370z. I already owned a 05 z and i loved it. I figured i dont need the extra power, i wanted it but i dont think i needed it. So a new z, kind of better gas milage, decent power i must say. Its the brand i like it seems. Maybe one day later, i can get a ralliart and a corvette.

05-12-2009, 01:28 AM	#28 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	Ha ha you are dreaming if you think the evo X will give you good mileage... I used to have one.. gave me about 12 mpg when I drove it like it wanted to be driven...