Staggered or square setup?

Red__Zed

How is zero toe gonna kill your tires?

m4a1mustang

He didn't say it would. He said the -3.5* of camber would wear the inside of the tires out quickly, but added that toe is the real tire killer. Because of this he does not run any toe.

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ChrisSlicks

No zero toe saves your tires. Too much toe was what I was talking about, some people (especially auto-x folk) run aggressive toe to improve steering response and initial turn-in. Even with zero toe my car turns in like a beast, I've let quite a few people drive it and they all make the same comment. Even with all the camber I still tend to kill the outside edge of the tire long before the rest is worn out.

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Red__Zed

Gotcha.


I run 0 toe up front as well, wanting to go positive though.

Red__Zed

Gotcha.


I run 0 toe up front as well, wanting to go positive though.

0 toe should turn in better than the aggressive (negative) toe settings though...or are you referring to aggressive positive settings?

m4a1mustang

Yeah, zero toe should turn-in better than negative toe ( / \ ). Positive toe ( \ / ) will give you better turn in but don't be surprised if the car feels darty at speed.

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ChrisSlicks

Well aggressive in either direction will kill tires.

Negative toe (toe-in) up front is used to reduce understeer and improve steering feel. The Z doesn't really need it. Just a hair of rear toe-in to keep the car stable.

AWD cars and FWD cars usually run a crap load of toe-in with a bit of rear toe-out to get the car to rotate more easily. Front toe-out serves no useful purpose that I'm aware of (on our cars), although because things can change under compression it might help for mid-corner front grip for example.

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cossie1600

toe in is positive number, you are right about everything else. if you look at the factory specs on rear toe, i believe the range is all positive numbers

ChrisSlicks

Yep you're right, I'm always getting my negative's and positive's messed up. Fortunately I never make that mistake when doing electrical

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