2012 Official LineUp Changes

ImportConvert · 06-12-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by themann1984

Is it possible that they are not making improvements because they plan on discontinuing the car in a few years? Why invest resources in a car that isn't selling the 30,000 units that they planned on selling. Why invest resources in a car that they plan to discontinuing? Like someone mentioned before. Tweaks are expensive to introduce.

The 370Z is pure sex! It is hot, loud, and rough!

Dodge improved the Viper right up until 2010.
GM improved the C5 right up until 2004.
Ford is STILL improving the mustang line-up even though a re-design is on the horizon for YM'14.

For Nissan to use that excuse is petty. If they want to say that due to the damage their country sustained they were unable to perform YM12 changes, you have to either respect that--or buy something else if you don't like it, but if the stance is "We are killing it in a few years--screw the customer" then that would explain WHY they don't sell very many of them.

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Originally Posted by bluelion

weird the Z got no exterior changes, but yet the maxima is supposed to get a different grill, headlights, taillights, and wheels......

companies rotate through their models with changes it seems.

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I think they should have pushed the hp output a bit. I mean, they managed to squeeze out a few more ponies for the Nismo with some tuning and exhaust after all. As far as exterior changes, I really don't see a whole lot I would change or would want to change, so I really don't see a point. Although, I do understand why others would be expecting one by now. I think Nissan is taking the corvette style refresh cycle. Which means making the Z a low volume 10 year cycle model, wether they like it or not. If they want to keep their "sporty" image, the Z and GT-R namesake won't be disappearing anytime soon.

I think Nissan is about out of tricks for getting more power out of the VQ short of DI or FI. If they did what they did to the IPL and NISMO to the base Z, they would have nowhere to go with the NISMO.

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Originally Posted by Isamu

maybe its time for you to

then?

just sayin

Oh, right away Kimosabe, right away!

Isamu · 06-12-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Dodge improved the Viper right up until 2010.
GM improved the C5 right up until 2004.
Ford is STILL improving the mustang line-up even though a re-design is on the horizon for YM'14.

For Nissan to use that excuse is petty. If they want to say that due to the damage their country sustained they were unable to perform YM12 changes, you have to either respect that--or buy something else if you don't like it, but if the stance is "We are killing it in a few years--screw the customer" then that would explain WHY they don't sell very many of them.

companies rotate through their models with changes it seems.

I think Nissan is about out of tricks for getting more power out of the VQ short of DI or FI. If they did what they did to the IPL and NISMO to the base Z, they would have nowhere to go with the NISMO.

Oh, right away Kimosabe, right away!

pretty solid... and your just like the chubby kid, I have to laugh and poke at you! cuz your so damn cute

tvfreakazoid · 07-31-2011, 05:13 AM

Stang, camero has over 400hp for about the same price as the 370z so why pay more for a car that has less power hasent had any decent updates? The genesis is cheaper as well. I dont think nissan really understands the american market or they dont care. If they want to sell more nissan needs to.get there heads out of there *** and start making more improvements bumb the dam hp torque add di and stop raising the price. Fire th ceo of nissan and hire someone from ford lol.

halogodx · 07-31-2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Stang, camero has over 400hp for about the same price as the 370z so why pay more for a car that has less power hasent had any decent updates? The genesis is cheaper as well. I dont think nissan really understands the american market or they dont care. If they want to sell more nissan needs to.get there heads out of there *** and start making more improvements bumb the dam hp torque add di and stop raising the price. Fire th ceo of nissan and hire someone from ford lol.

Because there's a lot more camero's out there than the Z. Even with less power, its unique. Every time i've driven with people, if they see mustangs or camero's, i don't see any special reactions. But, every time they see a 370z. They're always in awe.

roplusbee · 07-31-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by halogodx

Because there's a lot more camero's out there than the Z. Even with less power, its unique. Every time i've driven with people, if they see mustangs or camero's, i don't see any special reactions. But, every time they see a 370z. They're always in awe.

I agree to an extent. The Z turns heads, but the other brands are selling like hotcakes. Makes me wonder if Nissan has something up their sleeve or if they really don't give a hoot.........

dirtrat · 07-31-2011, 11:23 AM

Isn't this the truth. I just got back from a 1000+ mile drive and drove to some hick towns. I was amazed at the responses I got on my car! It was like they never saw a 370Z before. In sacramento, Mustangs, BMW's, MB, challengers and chargers are everywhere but rarely do you see 370Z's. I want to drive something unique.

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Originally Posted by halogodx

Because there's a lot more camero's out there than the Z. Even with less power, its unique. Every time i've driven with people, if they see mustangs or camero's, i don't see any special reactions. But, every time they see a 370z. They're always in awe.

b1adesofcha0s · 07-31-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Stang, camero has over 400hp for about the same price as the 370z so why pay more for a car that has less power hasent had any decent updates? The genesis is cheaper as well. I dont think nissan really understands the american market or they dont care. If they want to sell more nissan needs to.get there heads out of there *** and start making more improvements bumb the dam hp torque add di and stop raising the price. Fire th ceo of nissan and hire someone from ford lol.

I did better than two Camaro SS's at the drag strip 2 days ago

AppleZ · 07-31-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Stang, camero has over 400hp for about the same price as the 370z so why pay more for a car that has less power hasent had any decent updates? The genesis is cheaper as well. I dont think nissan really understands the american market or they dont care. If they want to sell more nissan needs to.get there heads out of there *** and start making more improvements bumb the dam hp torque add di and stop raising the price. Fire th ceo of nissan and hire someone from ford lol.

Why does eveyome compare just HP? My Z is designed better, looks better, handles better...I can go on for a while. American Car manufacturers think straight line. Japan and Europe think, "How will this drive on a track?"

On a side note, the corvette is one of the very few if not only American sports car I'd buy.

Montez · 07-31-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AppleZ

Why does eveyome compare just HP? My Z is designed better, looks better, handles better...I can go on for a while. American Car manufacturers think straight line. Japan and Europe think, "How will this drive on a track?"

On a side note, the corvette is one of the very few if not only American sports car I'd buy.

Well the Stang is a pretty good handler these days, it can't be knocked for that any longer. Funny recently I had an SS Camaro as a rental on a business trip (got a free upgrade) and got more looks in that than in the Z and this was in Phoenix..

Dwight Frye · 07-31-2011, 09:13 PM

It's not all about horsepower. The Camaro looks like GM hired designers from Pixar. And if it's built like anything else from GM it's will be falling apart at 50K miles, have no resale value and will be relegated to being driven by Joe Dirt looking meth heads. The Mustang is...well...it's just a Mustang. Always has been. No excitement since 1964 and a 1/2 other than when Carroll Shelby got his hands on some.

vivid2012 · 08-01-2011, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye

It's not all about horsepower. The Camaro looks like GM hired designers from Pixar. And if it's built like anything else from GM it's will be falling apart at 50K miles, have no resale value and will be relegated to being driven by Joe Dirt looking meth heads. The Mustang is...well...it's just a Mustang. Always has been. No excitement since 1964 and a 1/2 other than when Carroll Shelby got his hands on some.

yup, no excitement at all.

Somberlaine · 08-01-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AppleZ

Why does eveyome compare just HP? My Z is designed better, looks better, handles better...I can go on for a while. American Car manufacturers think straight line. Japan and Europe think, "How will this drive on a track?"

On a side note, the corvette is one of the very few if not only American sports car I'd buy.

I would add the CTS-V coupe

ImportConvert · 08-01-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AppleZ

Why does eveyome compare just HP? My Z is designed better, looks better, handles better...I can go on for a while. American Car manufacturers think straight line. Japan and Europe think, "How will this drive on a track?"

On a side note, the corvette is one of the very few if not only American sports car I'd buy.

Than the Camaro, yes. Than the mustang? I don't know.

What is the 370Z's PPH? The mustang is in the 70's IIRC.
The mustang GT also out-performs the 370Z as a whole. The BOSS annihilates the NISMO.

*If you care about "better designed" regarding interior, I wouldn't get a corvette. The corvette is ALL about the chassis and the engine. The interior is an afterthought and "an embarrassment" (per GM!). The C7 is going to be a LOT! better on the inside, similar power, and more nimble/lighter, according to the best guesses at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Montez, I am surprised you got looks in Phx with a Camaro. They are a dime a dozen and I seem more of them than Civics these days in Phx.

Even today I would take the Z over a 5.0 or Maro. Yes, the Stang's handling has improved, but still not Z level. The Z look better stock and modded (subjective). I just prefer Japanese sports cars (for example: if I was told I could get ANY car $ not an option, it would be the R34 Skyline GTR Nismo Z Tune). And, it is not all about going fast, hanging your rear end out, or doing donuts. The Z is a drivers car that I have much fun in. To be honest, I do not have as much fun in my buddies' Z06 than I do my Z.

These are all subjective, and to each his own. That said, I do give thumbs up to 5.0 owners; they are almost as rare as 370s in Phx.

What do you find more fun about the 370Z than the Z06, objectively?

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I love the 370Z, but the bottom line is that Nissan needs to do something to update the car. Ford and GM constantly update their sports-car line-up with little features (Magnetic ride control added to the Z06, another 100bhp added to the mustang for '11, a wide-body corvette replacing the Z51, etc...meaningful ****. Not a "unique shade of gray".)

The 370Z kicked *** in 2009. If this were 2009, it would still be kicking ***--because it hasn't changed ONE BIT, but it's not 2009 anymore (okay...okay...you guys now have back-up cameras OEM optional, and several more titillating shades of gray from which to choose.)

I am waiting for Nissan's next Z platform. I have a feeling that it's going to be epic. One way or another. The next "370Z" and the C7 are the two cars I am looking to choose between for 2013/2014.

Endgame · 08-01-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Than the Camaro, yes. Than the mustang? I don't know.

What is the 370Z's PPH? The mustang is in the 70's IIRC.
The mustang GT also out-performs the 370Z as a whole. The BOSS annihilates the NISMO.

*If you care about "better designed" regarding interior, I wouldn't get a corvette. The corvette is ALL about the chassis and the engine. The interior is an afterthought and "an embarrassment" (per GM!). The C7 is going to be a LOT! better on the inside, similar power, and more nimble/lighter, according to the best guesses at the moment.

What do you find more fun about the 370Z than the Z06, objectively?

_________________________

I love the 370Z, but the bottom line is that Nissan needs to do something to update the car. Ford and GM constantly update their sports-car line-up with little features (Magnetic ride control added to the Z06, another 100bhp added to the mustang for '11, a wide-body corvette replacing the Z51, etc...meaningful ****. Not a "unique shade of gray".)

The 370Z kicked *** in 2009. If this were 2009, it would still be kicking ***--because it hasn't changed ONE BIT, but it's not 2009 anymore (okay...okay...you guys now have back-up cameras OEM optional, and several more titillating shades of gray from which to choose.)

I am waiting for Nissan's next Z platform. I have a feeling that it's going to be epic. One way or another. The next "370Z" and the C7 are the two cars I am looking to choose between for 2013/2014.

The Z is a 'smaller' car and feels more tossable to me; takes less input to 'whip' it through curves. The Z06 does not feel as technical to me. That is not to say the Z06 is not a great handler; obviosly the Z06 takes the cake from a power perspective.

tvfreakazoid · 08-01-2011, 10:03 PM

i'm not knocking the Z at all. I think the Z looks better than camero and stang. But the stang doesn't have that much weight over Z and it does have more power. And i get it that it's not about the power and what not, but nissan is not in the business of selling the Z to only a select few people (The GTR is only for a few select people).

But you have to figure especially in these times that i can get a stang or camero for as much or maybe less but have more power. You figure a lot of people might look at that way. Especially with some of the improvements ford has made with the stangs.

My thing is if the Z lovers want to keep and getting new Z's and stay around for a few more years nissan needs to do something or we may not see the Z very much longer. All i am saying give it something and not some little here and there year after year. Oh a new paint color scheme, oh heated mirrors, oh a new radio system, oh an i pod dock or something like that. Plus the Z is more expensive. Didn't they have these type of problems with the older Z's, supras, mitsu 3k and rx7 that they were to expensive did eventually died out because of this? Or least that was one of the issues.

I don't know all i'm saying is stangs and cameros seems to keep improving or doing something to give it an extra umph to their cars while nissan's executives are just sitting around with their thumbs up in their asses.

I'm sure they might give the Z some sort of an update in 2013 but by that time stangs or cameros will be one or 2 steps ahead.
I know you shouldn't compare the z and the stang and cameros but i'm sure a lot of people might cause they aren't really other affordable sports cars that are out there. Well you have that hyundai i forget the name of it.

Who knows what nissan is going to give the Z in 2013. Maybe a hybrid and that's it. That would really suck for the Z.

In my personal opionion it's either give it a major update like really soon (next year) or good bye Z.

07-31-2011, 05:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10326	Stang, camero has over 400hp for about the same price as the 370z so why pay more for a car that has less power hasent had any decent updates? The genesis is cheaper as well. I dont think nissan really understands the american market or they dont care. If they want to sell more nissan needs to.get there heads out of there *** and start making more improvements bumb the dam hp torque add di and stop raising the price. Fire th ceo of nissan and hire someone from ford lol. __________________ Mudders milk

08-01-2011, 10:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10326	i'm not knocking the Z at all. I think the Z looks better than camero and stang. But the stang doesn't have that much weight over Z and it does have more power. And i get it that it's not about the power and what not, but nissan is not in the business of selling the Z to only a select few people (The GTR is only for a few select people). But you have to figure especially in these times that i can get a stang or camero for as much or maybe less but have more power. You figure a lot of people might look at that way. Especially with some of the improvements ford has made with the stangs. My thing is if the Z lovers want to keep and getting new Z's and stay around for a few more years nissan needs to do something or we may not see the Z very much longer. All i am saying give it something and not some little here and there year after year. Oh a new paint color scheme, oh heated mirrors, oh a new radio system, oh an i pod dock or something like that. Plus the Z is more expensive. Didn't they have these type of problems with the older Z's, supras, mitsu 3k and rx7 that they were to expensive did eventually died out because of this? Or least that was one of the issues. I don't know all i'm saying is stangs and cameros seems to keep improving or doing something to give it an extra umph to their cars while nissan's executives are just sitting around with their thumbs up in their asses. I'm sure they might give the Z some sort of an update in 2013 but by that time stangs or cameros will be one or 2 steps ahead. I know you shouldn't compare the z and the stang and cameros but i'm sure a lot of people might cause they aren't really other affordable sports cars that are out there. Well you have that hyundai i forget the name of it. Who knows what nissan is going to give the Z in 2013. Maybe a hybrid and that's it. That would really suck for the Z. In my personal opionion it's either give it a major update like really soon (next year) or good bye Z. __________________ Mudders milk Last edited by tvfreakazoid; 08-01-2011 at 10:06 PM.

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07-31-2011, 09:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 17	It's not all about horsepower. The Camaro looks like GM hired designers from Pixar. And if it's built like anything else from GM it's will be falling apart at 50K miles, have no resale value and will be relegated to being driven by Joe Dirt looking meth heads. The Mustang is...well...it's just a Mustang. Always has been. No excitement since 1964 and a 1/2 other than when Carroll Shelby got his hands on some.