Nissan Ester Oil

Chupacabra · 05-20-2009, 10:14 AM

I think to much thought is being put into this.
I use Mobil 1, its a true PAO, been used to death, Ferrari uses it on their f1 cars, I think it will be ok on the Z.

I have read that high ester based oils are recommended for people who track their cars in high temperature. Since I don't I am ok with not having nissan ester oil.

Another interesting thing I came up with is:
SAE Technical Paper 2003-01-3119

Which says that engine wear and tear actually decreases with engine oil life. So the more frequent you change your oil the worse it is for your parts. Interesting read.

Chupacabra · 05-20-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smartbomb

I had heard that only the 0w40 is a true PAO and the other grades of mobil one are actualy blends. Do you know anything about this?

Hmm could be. i am just saying what I got from the Mobile 1 guys. Called them up and they confirmed that Mobile 1 is in fact a true PAO, not just the 0w40. They said the advantage of 0w40 is its better in gas milage, but if you do not care, they recommend 5w30. I trust them... but you know how it is, they say anything you want to hear.

Anyone have a way to test oils?

Old Chuck · 05-20-2009, 04:50 PM

The best place for oil comparisons is bobistheoilguy.com . They have endless information about all things oil. It is the most comprehensive site for oil related matters. They can get involved about base stocks and actual oil composition but back it up with analysis comparing different oils in different vehicles. If you want to ask questions or just learn, it is an excellent site.

Chan Chee Hoe · 05-20-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra

I think to much thought is being put into this.
I use Mobil 1, its a true PAO, been used to death, Ferrari uses it on their f1 cars, I think it will be ok on the Z.

I have read that high ester based oils are recommended for people who track their cars in high temperature. Since I don't I am ok with not having nissan ester oil.

Another interesting thing I came up with is:
SAE Technical Paper 2003-01-3119

Which says that engine wear and tear actually decreases with engine oil life. So the more frequent you change your oil the worse it is for your parts. Interesting read.

Ferrari F1 teams uses only Shell oil & fuels.

Chupacabra · 05-21-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe

Ferrari F1 teams uses only Shell oil & fuels.

yeah my bad, its the enemy who carries mobil 1:

I took some of the mobil 1 oil to my school, the chemistry department can do the analysis for me, So once i get the results Ill post them.

Bobba Booey · 05-21-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Anyone have a way to test oils?

It's very easy to get an oil analysis done and it only costs $22.50. Check it out at Blackstone Laboratories - Standard Analysis

semtex · 05-21-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobba Booey

It's very easy to get an oil analysis done and it only costs $22.50. Check it out at Blackstone Laboratories - Standard Analysis

Blackstone tests used oil so you can see how much metal is in your oil. These guys are looking for testing of unused oil to see what the composition is, base stock, etc.

Bobba Booey · 05-21-2009, 12:21 PM

The composition isn't nearly as important as how the oil actually performs in a particular engine. Oil is more complicated than what the specs of the oil are. The only real way of doing a comparison of any significance is doing a used oil analysis.

semtex · 05-21-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobba Booey

The composition isn't nearly as important as how the oil actually performs in a particular engine. Oil is more complicated than what the specs of the oil are. The only real way of doing a comparison of any significance is doing a used oil analysis.

That's fine and well, but Chupacabra wants to know what's in the composition of differing brands of oil. If you don't think that's a worthwhile inquiry, that's fine, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But I'm just pointing out that doing a Blackstone analysis isn't going to get Chupacabra the answer to his question is all. By answering his question the way you did, you could lead him to spend $22.50 on something that won't even give him the info he's looking for. That's not cool, man. (Can you imagine him sending fresh unused oil to Blackstone?) So I'm warning him that Blackstone won't give him the info he's seeking. Will Blackstone give him good, valuable info on what's in his used oil? Yep, you bet they will. I plan to send them my own used oil for analysis. But that's not what Chupacabra is looking for right now. I'm just trying to save the guy from spending $22.50 on the wrong thing.

Old Chuck · 05-22-2009, 07:01 AM

Posted question about Nissan Ester Oil on bobistheoilguy.com under Nissan Ester Oil by AgingChuck. Got some great info on Ester and other oils. If anyone wants the latest and most comprehensive info I have seen on Ester oil, I would go to bob's site, pull up a chair and read a bunch on this and other oils. Guys have some great stuff there......

TBSS2008 · 05-22-2009, 10:12 AM

I just got my oil changed today on my 370z. The dealership filled it up with the suggested Nissan Ester Oil, which cost me $69.99. I don’t think this is too expensive. My Trail Blazer SS's oil change is about the same cost at the Chevrolet dealership; however it gets Mobil One Synthetic.

2bits · 05-22-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Chuck

Posted question about Nissan Ester Oil on bobistheoilguy.com under Nissan Ester Oil by AgingChuck. Got some great info on Ester and other oils. If anyone wants the latest and most comprehensive info I have seen on Ester oil, I would go to bob's site, pull up a chair and read a bunch on this and other oils. Guys have some great stuff there......

Good info! I have to wonder why Nissan would market it's oil as a generic ester (or ester additives, more accurately), rather than playing up the DLC nanoparticle content. Massive marketing fail...

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bits

I have to wonder why Nissan would market it's oil as ester additives rather than playing up the DLC nanoparticle content. Massive marketing fail...

Just my $0.02 ;-)..."Hey, Two-Bits: I have some snakeoil I want to sell to you...it contains "Diamond-Like-Carbon" particles that are smaller than an electron microsope can detect...True nanoparticles have a mind of their own, and seek to fix problems with mechanical and organic (human) bodies... and all for $12.00 per quart! "

That is why they did not advertise the true chemical makeup of the oil.

smartbomb · 05-22-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Chuck

Posted question about Nissan Ester Oil on bobistheoilguy.com under Nissan Ester Oil by AgingChuck. Got some great info on Ester and other oils. If anyone wants the latest and most comprehensive info I have seen on Ester oil, I would go to bob's site, pull up a chair and read a bunch on this and other oils. Guys have some great stuff there......

Got a link?

Shift · 05-22-2009, 01:22 PM

Just called local cealer here in York, Pa. They haven't even changed the oil on a 370z yet. called carmax where I got the Z they said 65.00 oil change with the ester oil Nissan wants us to use. Not bad since my oil change on the GSX-R cost 54.00

05-20-2009, 10:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chupacabra Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Weston, Florida Posts: 477 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z s M6 Rep Power: 201	I think to much thought is being put into this. I use Mobil 1, its a true PAO, been used to death, Ferrari uses it on their f1 cars, I think it will be ok on the Z. I have read that high ester based oils are recommended for people who track their cars in high temperature. Since I don't I am ok with not having nissan ester oil. Another interesting thing I came up with is: SAE Technical Paper 2003-01-3119 Which says that engine wear and tear actually decreases with engine oil life. So the more frequent you change your oil the worse it is for your parts. Interesting read. __________________ Where are my aluminum pedals?

05-20-2009, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
Old Chuck Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida & SC Posts: 86 Drives: 05 Tundra& 02 Subaru Rep Power: 17	The best place for oil comparisons The best place for oil comparisons is bobistheoilguy.com . They have endless information about all things oil. It is the most comprehensive site for oil related matters. They can get involved about base stocks and actual oil composition but back it up with analysis comparing different oils in different vehicles. If you want to ask questions or just learn, it is an excellent site.

05-22-2009, 07:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
Old Chuck Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida & SC Posts: 86 Drives: 05 Tundra& 02 Subaru Rep Power: 17	Great info on Nissan Ester oils Posted question about Nissan Ester Oil on bobistheoilguy.com under Nissan Ester Oil by AgingChuck. Got some great info on Ester and other oils. If anyone wants the latest and most comprehensive info I have seen on Ester oil, I would go to bob's site, pull up a chair and read a bunch on this and other oils. Guys have some great stuff there......

05-21-2009, 12:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bobba Booey Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sirius Posts: 51 Drives: Z33 Rep Power: 17	The composition isn't nearly as important as how the oil actually performs in a particular engine. Oil is more complicated than what the specs of the oil are. The only real way of doing a comparison of any significance is doing a used oil analysis.

05-22-2009, 10:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
TBSS2008 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 195 Drives: 11 Corvette GS 6spd Rep Power: 17	I just got my oil changed today on my 370z. The dealership filled it up with the suggested Nissan Ester Oil, which cost me $69.99. I don’t think this is too expensive. My Trail Blazer SS's oil change is about the same cost at the Chevrolet dealership; however it gets Mobil One Synthetic.

05-22-2009, 01:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
Shift Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Glen Rock,PA Age: 59 Posts: 220 Drives: (370-Z MT Blue 7A) Rep Power: 17	Just called local cealer here in York, Pa. They haven't even changed the oil on a 370z yet. called carmax where I got the Z they said 65.00 oil change with the ester oil Nissan wants us to use. Not bad since my oil change on the GSX-R cost 54.00