What should i get 370z or the new camero coming out soon

Originally Posted by MightyBobo

All you had to say was the first sentence, and now I know why you have each others backs lol.

There is a LOT more to why GM and other domestics are struggling right now, than quality issues. Again, you're generalizing instead of looking at the big picture. Just a few reasons off the top of my head:

-Excessive labor costs here, particularly due to health care and retirement. Japanese cars have about $1000 of a cars value going to these things. American cars send about $2000-2500. In the end, thanks to unions, workers are getting FAR too much for how little they do...

-Putting too many eggs in one basket. They hoped the SUV market would explode...which, in actuality, it did. And then oil prices sky rocketed, and as per usual, the consumer got scared. The funny part of all this is that Vespas, which were selling like HOT CAKES a year ago, dropped in sales drastically now that oil is cheaper again. People will never learn...they actually think oil will stay this cheap? lol...

-Too many models, too many brands. How many different versions of the same car do we REALLY need? Dont like the Sierra? Get the Silverado. Dont like the Cobalt? Get the G5. Its excessive and pointless. Same goes for other companies, too. Trim the fat, get rid of the worst companies, and go with your strongest brands and improve on a single car GREATLY, versus improving several cars barely...

I'm not saying that many Japanese cars ARENT superior to many American cars right now. Not at all. All I'm trying to say, is that many American cars aren't NEARLY as bad as you make them seem. The new Malibu is leaps and bounds better in quality and fit/finish than ever before. The Focus is one of the best sub-compacts on the market. ANY American pickup is better than the Ridgeline in utility (no, a silly storage area in the bed would never make me want to buy that poor excuse for a "truck"). Cadillac's CTS is an amazing luxury car, and one of the best in its segment. The Mustang is being viewed by MANY magazines as a huge performance bang-for-the-buck (even over the 370Z).

I could go on and on here. I appreciate your enthusiasm for a particular market, and there is nothing wrong with it. But there is a difference between being enthusiastic for a type of car, versus completely blinding yourself of OTHER types of cars purposefully just because you don't like them. It all goes back to being able to appreciate any type of car (even if its from a brand you don't appreciate), versus just the ones you like.

Originally Posted by juan05

all i said was jappanesse had better quality. ok american cars have a couple that not enough to beat jappanesse. at the end we will see if gm actually survives this economic problem. i doubt it. but you never know. intul this labor unions actually start doing some real labors except of working just to work. then maybe just maybe american cars will actually be in competition to other foreign cars. till then japan owns. lol

Originally Posted by MightyBobo

GM will survive - there are far too many jobs that depend on GM and the other companies to simply let them disappear. The government will save them, GM will trim their fat (like Saturn, Pontiac and Hummer), and we all will move on. Hopefully, GM will be a little bit wiser this time around and focus their money on improving fit and finish, rather than making 10 billion models of the same car using the same platforms. They have LOTS of quality vehicles, its just a matter of improving them.

*sigh* But you're young I can tell. Im not that old either, but I remember back when I was all for GM and nothing but, just because my family was all GM. Thankfully I matured and realized theres a lot more to getting a good car than simply assuming that all vehicles from a certain part of the world are bad or good simply because they come from there

Originally Posted by juan05

im not all about jappanesse cadillac i respect. cts is very nice car. gm just need exactly what you said improve their cars. till then...well idk. so yea they need to actually start competing against other brands be moore aggresive. build their cars with more passion. 370z is probably one of the best cars invented. yes it may have some faults but not that many. remember humans make it. we all make mistakes only GM makes more...jaja jk

Originally Posted by XBadgerX

My blanket statement:
The only mistake GM has is the labor unions; which for some reason the US still supports. Hopefully GM will file chapter 11, get rid of all the unions, and will finally be able to compete... Till then, they will keep paying a guy $75 a hour to sweep with a broom.

Originally Posted by juan05

this damn unions are fuc*in this country up..i mean ill understand if the actually build the car to last better quality..but nooo. my friend has a 95 camry 250 k miles on it and still runs thats crazy lol not in the best conditon but you get my point...

Originally Posted by XBadgerX

The quality of American cars is on par if not better than imports.