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Originally Posted by Jordo! Who said anything about entitlement? This is a request. Average (or maybe modal) gains are more telling, provided you have enough data points, than extreme outliers

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Old 03-13-2011, 11:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who said anything about entitlement?

This is a request.

Average (or maybe modal) gains are more telling, provided you have enough data points, than extreme outliers (the gain "up to" argument). That doesn't make the information useless. Every car is not all that different -- it's the same motor with only one of two drivetrains (and limited evidence of any loss differences between them).

The biggest variable factors will be type of dynamometer and correction factor. I have a feeling miles of break-in may play a role too. Anyway, that's why I look at (and talk about) % changes rather than raw values -- it's much more consistent.

What's hilarious is the degree of outrage this thread has inspired by consumers... you guys should demand more info not less.

Ironically, the food info analogy is fairly apt: Yeah, I do like knowing the calorie, fat, protien, carb, etc content of the food I eat.

Why is that a bad thing?

Having more info enables you to make smarter choices about what suits your needs, no?

Does that spoil the magic and the mystery for you or something?
Are you saying that every hamburger at McDonalds has the exact same caloric count? Or do you think that, for the most part, its "up to" that many calories?

More information never hurts, but you can only realistically demand so much from a company, not to mention if they start throwing numbers around that is just asking for some kind of lawsuits potentially...
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you saying that every hamburger at McDonalds has the exact same caloric count? Or do you think that, for the most part, its "up to" that many calories?

More information never hurts, but you can only realistically demand so much from a company, not to mention if they start throwing numbers around that is just asking for some kind of lawsuits potentially...
Now that you mention it, I have no idea how much variance there is food labeling -- hmm.

Anyway, I'm not demanding anything. No company is even obligated to provide a single dyno to demonstrate the potential gains from its product -- it's entirely a matter of marketing.

In other words, because consumers have "demanded" (requested? Challenged?) additional information, many manufacturers of aftermarket parts provide before and after dynos.

If a new intake comes out, I think it would be interesting to see a three way comparison with paper, high flow, and their new set-up -- that's all I'm saying (hint -- a company is in the process of making one, and the design is promising).

Who knows if anyone will bother to take my challenge/respond to my request -- but if they did, it would be more compelling than providing nothing or simply showing that the new product outperforms a bone stock set-up.

For example, AEM provides comparison data (or at least they used to) for their dry flow filter vs paper vs other high flow competitor products, so what I am asking isn't really all that outrageous.

Likewise, I'd like it if more wheel distributors would provide the weights.

Again, just a request

Honestly, I'm not sure what fired me up enough to make this thread -- but it's generated some interesting discussion
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