If you had to do it over again, would you still buy the 370z??

Lug · 03-07-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Unless the track has a very long straight I highly doubt the mustang would beat a z even in the fully loaded $40k version with brembo's. And I'd hope the car is faster overall. It has 1300 cc more displacement. I'm
Happy for ford and mustang enthusiasts tho. They must be drooling over it and the value you get for a relatively low price tag. I'd get this over an SS camaro any day.

You do know a 2011 'Stang has matched an M3 on a track, correct? Here, read this...

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

If you think the 370Z can keep up with the new 'stang on anything but an autoX track, you're dreaming. There are many reasons to pick a 370Z over a mustang but normal track performance simply isn't one of them.

BLM · 03-07-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

You do know a 2011 'Stang has matched an M3 on a track, correct? Here, read this...

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

If you think the 370Z can keep up with the new 'stang on anything but an autoX track, you're dreaming. There are many reasons to pick a 370Z over a mustang but normal track performance simply isn't one of them.

As I said before, the only figure where the Mustang GT out-performs the Z is in straight line acceleration. The article you mentioned gave the GT and M3 4.4 0-60 and 12.7 vs 12.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen those times. Most give 4.6 and 12.9-13.0 but it's really splitting hairs. The Z is 0-60 in 4.7 and 1/4 in 13.2-13.3. And one would expect such figures from the mustang, given the extra 100 hp and 1300 cc displacement, as well as 3.73's. The Z does better on the skidpad, slalom, and braking (despite the brembo package on the mustang). The Z is also 300 lbs lighter, and the sport tuned Z is $4000 cheaper than the tested GT with Brembo's and 3.73 gears. Also, iirc doesnt the 400+ hp stang come with 255's in the rear? Traction would be a problem for sure under heavy driving. The sport Z comes stock with 245/275 with less power and less weight. That'd be my first mod if I had one (which i never would). I'd throw some 305's on the rear. I'm very impressed with the Mustang for sure. The improvements they've made are long overdue. The power:weight ratio is imo the most impressive stat on this car. And in grand Ford fashion, they're rating it at 412 hp and they're dynoing stock at 395 whp. But I'd never own one for many reasons, and unless you're on a long straight, given equally skilled drivers I think it would be a close battle between the mustang and the Z on a road course. However, if the mustang had appropriate traction I think it wouldn't be close at all. I just dont see 255 tires being able to have that car hit it's potential on the track given it's weight, power, and stopping ability.

Lug · 03-07-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

As I said before, the only figure where the Mustang GT out-performs the Z is in straight line acceleration. The article you mentioned gave the GT and M3 4.4 0-60 and 12.7 vs 12.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen those times. Most give 4.6 and 12.9-13.0 but it's really splitting hairs. The Z is 0-60 in 4.7 and 1/4 in 13.2-13.3. And one would expect such figures from the mustang, given the extra 100 hp and 1300 cc displacement, as well as 3.73's. The Z does better on the skidpad, slalom, and braking (despite the brembo package on the mustang). The Z is also 300 lbs lighter, and the sport tuned Z is $4000 cheaper than the tested GT with Brembo's and 3.73 gears. Also, iirc doesnt the 400+ hp stang come with 255's in the rear? Traction would be a problem for sure under heavy driving. The sport Z comes stock with 245/275 with less power and less weight. That'd be my first mod if I had one (which i never would). I'd throw some 305's on the rear. I'm very impressed with the Mustang for sure. The improvements they've made are long overdue. The power:weight ratio is imo the most impressive stat on this car. And in grand Ford fashion, they're rating it at 412 hp and they're dynoing stock at 395 whp. But I'd never own one for many reasons, and unless you're on a long straight, given equally skilled drivers I think it would be a close battle between the mustang and the Z on a road course. However, if the mustang had appropriate traction I think it wouldn't be close at all. I just dont see 255 tires being able to have that car hit it's potential on the track given it's weight, power, and stopping ability.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Let me sum it up then. A professional driver got lap times .09 seconds different between the new M3 and the Mustang GT. The regular MT drivers were actually faster in the mustang than the M3. Is your claim now that a 370Z will beat an M3 around a track? I'm sure we can dig up a lot of same track stats that will prove that to be very inaccurate. The 'stang's power simply outweighs the 370Z's handling on anything other than an autoX track. Afterall, performance is a combination of both power and handling and the new stang is loaded with both. Your pricing is bogus as well. A base GT with the brembo package is under $32,000 retail and can be had for less than $30k. The price you are quoting is a fully loaded luxury package. You top out the 370Z with it's upscale options and they are amazingly similar in price.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-07-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

You didn't read the article, did you?

Let me sum it up then. A professional driver got lap times .09 seconds different between the new M3 and the Mustang GT. The regular MT drivers were actually faster in the mustang than the M3. Is your claim now that a 370Z will beat an M3 around a track? I'm sure we can dig up a lot of same track stats that will prove that to be very inaccurate. The 'stang's power simply outweighs the 370Z's handling on anything other than an autoX track. Afterall, performance is a combination of both power and handling and the new stang is loaded with both. Your pricing is bogus as well. A base GT with the brembo package is under $32,000 retail and can be had for less than $30k. The price you are quoting is a fully loaded luxury package. You top out the 370Z with it's upscale options and they are amazingly similar in price.

I would think the most reliable person to ask would be someone who is passionate/knowledgeable about both and has owned both, someone like m4a1mustang (who I mentioned before). If you don't believe it, you can ask him yourself.